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Ethanol has been a scam since day 1. Let's go back to using corn to feed families of voters, not lobbyists.
1 posted on 12/15/2017 10:15:35 PM PST by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

Agreed...let’s eliminate all “mandates” and subsidies. Let FREE enterprise, supply & demand and markets determine the most efficient ways to produce MAXIMUM WEALTH for our Republic. The free farmers of Iowa will adjust and become more wealthy as they pursue other crops and endeavors. And the NATIONAL economy will grow, become more efficient and produce greater wealth at less cost.


2 posted on 12/15/2017 10:25:50 PM PST by House Atreides (BOYCOTT the NFL, its products and players 100% - PERMANENTLY)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

The science and agriculture behind this needs to be understood.

Special corn is used to brew fuel ethanol, which is not suitable for either animal or human food. Could other things use the land better? Maybe. But we aren’t taking any edible corn, such as what tortillas are made out of, and putting it in gas tanks.

That said, most certainly let freedom ring. Let greenies sell what they believe to be green virtue to willing purchasers.


3 posted on 12/15/2017 10:27:19 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

Only politicians would think something that costs $1.50 to make a $1.00 product. That is smart business in DC.


4 posted on 12/15/2017 10:28:50 PM PST by bray (Pray for President Trump)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

Candidate Cruz was the surprise winner in the Iowa Primary, while running against ethanol subsidies. It can be done.


7 posted on 12/15/2017 10:35:37 PM PST by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

Even the greenies don’t like ethanol in gasoline.
The amount of energy used to produce the corn is never recovered. Besides that it actually lowers your gas mileage


8 posted on 12/15/2017 10:35:45 PM PST by Keyhopper (Indians had bad immigration laws)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

Ethanull


9 posted on 12/15/2017 10:41:06 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Happy Nobama)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

Agree100%


11 posted on 12/15/2017 11:52:32 PM PST by rrrod (just an old guy with a gun in his pocke)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom
I don't so much mind their being subsidized as i do having to use it for vehicle fuel.

Let the sobs build ethanol power plants!

12 posted on 12/16/2017 12:53:46 AM PST by rawcatslyentist ("All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing")
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

scam, plus it pollutes groundwater more than straight gasoline. plus straight gas has more energy per gallon than ethanol gas, meaning better fuel economy if you take ethanol out. plus small engines wont suffer damage with straight gas.

all these known benefits but govt doesnt do the right thing.


13 posted on 12/16/2017 12:57:13 AM PST by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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The swamp just keeps refilling itself (with ethanol?!?):
https://hotair.com/archives/2017/12/13/not-shocking-grassley-aide-lands-plush-ethanol-lobbying-gig/


16 posted on 12/16/2017 3:28:20 AM PST by Drago
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To: Oshkalaboomboom
Ethanol has been a scam since day 1.

Ethanol has been in the mix since the beginning. So has biodiesel. Henry Ford was calling ethanol the fuel of the future in the 1920's. Rudolf Diesel ran his first engines on peanut oil. And not to forget: in the early days there were steam powered cars and electric cars as well. Petroleum based fuels came to dominate because oil turned out to be far more abundant than anyone expected. This, by the way, has not been a good thing. Too much of the cheap oil turned out to be located in the middle east, where oil dollars have fueled all manner of evils, as well as various other third world hellholes where oil has been the high road to massive corruption. But that's another story.

The current U.S. ethanol policy is rooted in the decade following the turn of the century. After the first Gulf War, oil crashed as low as $12 a barrel before stabilizing around $20 for most of the 1990's. Cheap oil was one of the several things that Bill Clinton got very lucky about. In the next decade, however, the soaring U.S. and global economies drove oil steadily upwards, approaching $150 a barrel before the 2008/09 crash. Had you told me at the beginning of the decade that the U.S. economy would shrug off oil at $80, $100, and $120 a barrel and keep doing fine, I'd have thought you were crazy. But that's what happened, largely because the effects of the digital revolution were so dominant that they carried a lot of baggage.

During that huge runup in oil prices, the U.S. decided to finally get serious about finding a way to diversify away from oil and ultimately transition to a successor fuel. The candidates were, and still are, biofuels, electric cars, and fuel cells. Then came the 2008/09 crash and a global slowdown that depressed oil prices. And then came fracking, and another shift in the economics of oil.

But oil is still a finite resource, subject to depletion and big price shocks due to the still-dominant role of very nasty places in its global production. Fracking has bought us time. How much, I don't know. But the strategic question is this: do we keep our eyes on the ball and continue to explore alternatives, or do we think short term and scuttle the alternatives for another temporary binge on cheap oil?

The Bush administration was pro-everything on energy: pro-drilling, pro-nuclear, pro-biofuels, fuel cells and electrics, pro-wind and solar. The argument was over how much to subsidize close-to-commercial alternative energy sources. Biofuels took off once oil prices rose above $80 a barrel, making corn ethanol competitive without subsidy. The blenders tax credit has been repealed; the mandate is still in place to force the oil industry, which controls the refining, to accept a competing fuel instead of locking out the competition. Wind is also close enough to a competitive price point that a relatively small subsidy has gotten us a big buildout of wind capacity. (My objection to wind is esthetic, not economic: miles of windfarms are space consumptive and ugly.) Solar has come way down in price and is carving out increasing non-subsidized markets for off-grid applications, but it is still not close to competitive against the grid. That could change quickly, however.

The Obama administration took a big step backwards. It was operationally anti-everything on energy except wind, solar, and electric vehicles. We should revert to the Bush policy. The goal is not simply energy independence; the goal is breaking OPEC, making the jihadis fight with sticks and stones because they can't afford bullets, making the Saudis close down their global madrassah poison because they can't afford it, etc. Fracking has bought us time. We shouldn't waste it.

18 posted on 12/16/2017 4:34:58 AM PST by sphinx
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To: Oshkalaboomboom
It's sometimes hard to tell where these Iowa senators' offices end and the ethanol lobby begins

This is not just an Iowa or an ethanol problem.

19 posted on 12/16/2017 5:19:51 AM PST by AndyJackson
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