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SUAREZ: Let's talk a little bit more about the assumptions being made here. The people who decide not to buy insurance because the mandate disappears are people who wouldn't have wanted to buy insurance in the first place.

KODJAK: Well, yeah, there are definitely those people who just don't think they need it.

How about that.

1 posted on 12/20/2017 3:44:38 AM PST by Libloather
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And the removing of the mandate, now makes going out and buying the insurance one needs easier.


2 posted on 12/20/2017 3:47:46 AM PST by EBH ( May God Save the Republic)
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It dies.


3 posted on 12/20/2017 3:49:15 AM PST by ealgeone
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America will be freed of the odious poll tax. MAGA!


4 posted on 12/20/2017 3:49:49 AM PST by Sirius Lee (In God We Trust, In Trump We MAGA)
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What Happens To Obamacare If Individual Mandate Disappears?

The same thing that happened to Medicare after 1986.

They will have to print more money and borrow more from China.

No problem.

6 posted on 12/20/2017 3:53:32 AM PST by Jim Noble (Single payer is coming. Which kind do you like?)
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Yes, it does.

The real problem with ObamaCare is the issue of HUGE deductibles. (and High Premiums)

My daughter just switched from ObamaCare (which she had to go to because of being divorced by my X-son-in-law) to something I think she called Medishare. It is Mennonite operated substitute for insurance. It looks a lot more sane to me than any of the alternatives.


7 posted on 12/20/2017 3:56:29 AM PST by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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SUAREZ: Let’s talk a little bit more about the assumptions being made here. The people who decide not to buy insurance because the mandate disappears are people who wouldn’t have wanted to buy insurance in the first place.
KODJAK: Well, yeah, there are definitely those people who just don’t think they need it.

And they will still get care in cases of emergency?
Yes.
And the cost will still be passed on to those WITH coverage?
Of course.


8 posted on 12/20/2017 4:00:43 AM PST by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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Saw the Title and that it was from NPR and that I didn't need to read from it.

Consider the source and their strong bias and you'll know.

15 posted on 12/20/2017 4:11:20 AM PST by CptnObvious (uestion her now.)
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The mandate is basically a tax on existing.


17 posted on 12/20/2017 4:14:01 AM PST by This I Wonder32460
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Can some legal eagle answer this?

I thought the SCOTUS decision upholding the right of the federal government to control the options people had for health care was based on their power to tax - and that the penalty (the mandate) was the tax.

So if you take away that mandate - that tax - then don’t you also take away the basis for Obamacare being constitutional, under the SCOTUS decision?


19 posted on 12/20/2017 4:18:12 AM PST by zencycler
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I thought this Tax cut bill would kill me like Dems said, but I remembered I already died from climate change and less regulations and NOT fully implementing obamacare and russia.......


21 posted on 12/20/2017 4:25:59 AM PST by sappy (criminaldems)
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When democrats decide that you “need” something, or must do something they want you to do, they will use force of some kind to keep you from making your own decisions about whatever it is.
They can take care of you and your family better than you can.


23 posted on 12/20/2017 4:29:05 AM PST by Sasparilla ( I'm Not Tired of Winning.)
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I am 67 and on Medicare and my wife is 63 and has a policy from Blue Cross Blue Shield. Her Premium would have been $1350 a month for 2018. She just signed up for a medical sharing program and got great coverage for $250/month. ObamaCare is a scam on so many levels..


24 posted on 12/20/2017 4:34:40 AM PST by slouch-no-more
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Jobs, good paying jobs, is the best solution to Obamacare.

Removing regulations that drive up the COST is the best solution to Obamacare.

A focus on who pays, and how much, is the wrong focus.


30 posted on 12/20/2017 4:46:09 AM PST by spintreebob
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Well if it’s SO POPULAR as the Rats claim no mandate should be needed to get people to buy it.


33 posted on 12/20/2017 5:03:37 AM PST by Kozak (DIVERSITY+PROXIMITY=CONFLICT)
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https://vitals.lifehacker.com/how-to-survive-a-high-deductible-health-insurance-plan-1792436777

Don’t think you have to stay away from the doctor if you want to save money. Your insurance plan is required to give you certain types of preventive care and medications for free—that means no copay, and without touching your deductible.,

If you’re putting off a checkup or a tetanus booster because you think you’d have to pay a ton for…

That means you can get vaccines, cholesterol screenings, birth control, and more without paying a cent. Check with your insurance plan about the details; you’ll have to go to an in-network provider, and in some cases there might be an office visit fee. But, by law, all non-grandfathered health plans must provide these freebies. And taking advantage of them will help you keep control of your overall health, which is good for your body and your wallet in the long run."

A high deductible plan that covers "vaccines, cholesterol screenings, birth control", abortions, sex change operations, "certain medications" and psychotherapy without any deductible isn't a high deductible plan. Mandating buying it inflates the cost of "vaccines, cholesterol screenings, birth control" etc. because it smothers market forces and the insurance company and because the provider's billing employees don't work for free. Much cheaper and more efficient to use a walk-in clinic at a drugstore and pay for routine, simple healthcare yourself than to pay for the Obamacare insurance to pay for routine, simple healthcare.

36 posted on 12/20/2017 5:10:02 AM PST by Sooth2222 ("Gun buybacks are one of the most ineffectual public policies that have ever been invented")
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I do not normally listen to NPR because the last time I did it only took about 20 minutes to spot multiple instances of biased reporting. Please let me know when they start reporting honestly.


40 posted on 12/20/2017 5:33:32 AM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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Great News for Farm Bureau Health Insurance

http://www.fbhealthplans.com/individual-family-plans


41 posted on 12/20/2017 5:39:32 AM PST by HangnJudge
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What Happens To Obamacare If Individual Mandate Disappears?

Premiums go up, more companies withdraw from the exchanges, and Obamacare is one step closer to collapse, which the Republicans will own.

43 posted on 12/20/2017 5:52:48 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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“KODJAK: Well, yeah, there are definitely those people who just don’t think they need it.”

Gee, I wonder if a lot of people fully realize they need health insurance, but either can’t or do not want to pay $1600 a month for it, don’t want welfare subsidies, and don’t have the money to cover the $5,000 deductibles if they did?

ACA is all about forced and learned dependency; I am sure Kodjak fears that breaking the death grip government imposed on health insurance will open the door to some sort market-based freedom. My hope is that ending the penalty will open the door to affordable policies for medical catastrophes, with deductibles in the $8k to $10k range, and negotiated prices with service providers. When service recipients pay out of their own pocket, defensive treatment will be counterbalanced by reality.


47 posted on 12/20/2017 6:33:57 AM PST by Chewbarkah
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I suspect that the real zinger is that premiums for most people will really drop. The reason for this is simple: the Democrats have zero grasp of economics.

Let me illustrate this. When the Army wanted a new .45 caliber pistol, they announced an open contract, whoever making the best gun at the lowest price would win. So every gun maker in the US quickly came out with their own model of the same gun. Not only did it get the Army the gun it wanted at the cheapest price, but every other manufacturer that lost had .45 caliber guns it wanted to sell, so the price dropped for everyone.

This is Republican capitalist economics, and it works great.

When Obama wanted new solar technology, instead of offering it in open competition, he went to his cronies, then offered them a LOT of money to make technology that didn’t exist. Crony capitalism. And it failed terribly across the board, while wasting hundreds of millions of dollars. Creativity does not work that way.

This is Democrat organized crime-style economics, and it sucks rotten eggs.

In any event, an even worse example of the failure of Democrat bad economics was Obamacare. *In their minds* it meant lower premiums for all. But it was a delusion so the reality was ever increasing premiums.

The flip side of this is that their delusion is so firmly set in their faith, that to end the individual mandate would mean that premiums will *have* to go up. Because crappy logic.

And if premiums drop a lot, they will ignore it, and rant about “millions” of imaginary people dying in the gutters because they are so incapable they cannot put a band-aid on a cut without government.


50 posted on 12/20/2017 6:52:09 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Liberals have become moralistic, dogmatic, sententious, self-righteous, pinch-faced prudes.)
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