Posted on 12/24/2017 1:12:14 PM PST by 3161J410
The Winston Churchill biopic Darkest Hour will feed into the debate around the nature of President Donald Trump’s abrasive, confrontational form of leadership, says Joe Wright, the film’s director. Wright suggests that Darkest Hour, which stars Gary Oldman as the British prime minister during arguably the UK’s most testing period of the second world war, is directly relevant to the US’s current political turmoil.
“There’s a big question in America at the moment: what does good leadership look like,” says Wright,
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True.
So do I.
I saw Victor Davis Hanson on tv about a month ago.
He made a great point.
The heavy bombing by the Allies didn’t win the war, but the German response to the heavy bombers lost them the war.
Hanson said 10,000 88mm were withdrawn to protect the German cities.
I think the 88 was Germany’s most effective anti tank weapon.
10,000 88s might have stopped the Russians.
The UK’s darkest hour is right now with all the muzzies roaming their streets.
The UK had a better chance against Hitler because they had better leadership then.
The UK”s darkest hour is also the US’ darkest hour.
>I saw the movie. Personally, I think Trump is a great proxy for Churchill. Both were very flawed men, but they had spines.
Why do you think Trump’s a flawed man? Personally, I think he’s just gotten the most lying press of any president in history.
In a sane world he would have hanged for that.
How is Trump flawed? People say it, but they never articulate with showing instances.
>And while Britain deserves MUCH credit in WWII (leadership, monarchy, people and all) —> it’s AMERICA that really had the ultimate victory and seemed to absorb most internally what it really meant to win and what we really fought against.
Britain really only deserves credit for not rolling over like the French did. They fought like crap. The Nazis would have beaten Russia if the UK had made peace, but that’s about their only contrubition to victory.
I know several people who have seen it, all of them strong Trump supporters, and all of them loved the movie.
>The Brits had some of the worst Generals in the war. Montgomery was too cautious and political.
Montgomery was by far the best British general. His plan for the landings at D-day was quite good. But overall he was awful once a battle was engaged. His failure during operation Goodwood was inexcusable. A massive attack of allied heavy bombers made concentrated bombing runs at 4,000 feet blowing apart the German front lines. Heavy tiger tanks were literally flipped over and buried under tons of dirt from the attack. The lines simply ceased to exist, and Monty’s attack failed because he didn’t send infantry with the tanks and German AA guns ripped the tank attack apart turning what should have been the biggest allied victory in the war into a defeat.
I just saw the movie and it was very good. I don’t give a whit what Wright thinks. The movie is worth the price of a ticket!
Yeah, "Dunkirk" was bad enough to probably be nominated.
Hmmm...until I read this I was looking forward to seeing The Darkest Hour.Thanks to this European Marxist’s comments I will give it a great big miss!
Good point. I did like “Hacksaw Ridge” though, the war film directed by Mel Gibson last year...have you seen it? It was nominated for Best Film.
(I saw it on Election Day 2016 to keep my stress levels down while the results came in.)
:)
>That’s interesting...What were our strengths militarily you think?
US army killed 5 Germans for every 4 Americans lost. Russia lost 4 Russians for every German killed. The US army was full mechanized, very fast moving, and with pinpoint artillery. Our fighter-bombers destroyed German tank counterattacks. In France Germany viewed US troops as about on par with them.
>Russians always tell me that Americans take too much credit for ourselves even though we didn’t lose as many lives...and i’m like...isn’t that the point?
Industrial warfare is about producing enough goods to make your army effective in the field. The US outproduced everyone about 10 to 1. Russia would have folded in 1943 or 1944 without US support. US victory in Tunisia was a bigger blow to the Germany army than the defeat at Stalingrad according to German accounts of the war. The US airwar decimated the German Airforce and was the primary reason Germany had issues with air support in the east. As a rule Russian planes ran when they encounter German fighters the Germans regularly destroyed the entire Soviet airforce. But the US would just send another 10,000 planes and the Russian air force would be reborn. None of the big Russian gains in 1943 and 1944 would have happened if the German airforce wasn’t busy fighting the US in Italy and over Germany.
Russia fighting alone would have lost the war by late 1943.
“We are so tired of hearing the same old tired, worn out comments that Trump is bad.”
That’s the whole point. That’s exactly why there is a non-stop drumbeat of negative news on Trump. The media want people to reach the point where they are so sick of all the negativity that they will vote against Trump just to make it stop.
This is basic leftist strategy. They are disgusting people and they employ disgusting artifices.
Laugh at them and mock them. We know great things are happening and America is on the road to recovery. If they want to be miserable, that’s great for us.
Yes! So not only was the U.S. strategic militarily, but we had business sense to boot! (in terms of producing and selling things to our allies before joining the war in person.)
Interesting about Russia’s status in ‘43-’44. Thank you for clarifying.
I wish we as Americans took greater care to preserve these narratives and own these victories. Not to lord over others, but to remember those we’ve lost and to stop self-sabotaging ourselves with P.C. revisionism.
OK,it's well done.But I,like most Freepers,already have a strong understanding of Churchill's wisdom,bravery and leadership and have a deep admiration for him as a result.Given that I,personally,don't have any particular need to have that respect reinforced.
So this European pig's comment represents all the reason I need to turn my back on this film.
Just sayin'...
Dunkirk was a so-so war movie.
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Trump and Churchill have more in common than not. Curchill was a joke until he turned out to be right...and the former scoffers and laugher asked him (nicely) to please lead the nation out of darkness...a darkness that HE had predicted...
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