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Ron Paul: Trump may be vulnerable to 2020 GOP primary challenge
Washington Examiner ^ | December 26, 2017 | Steven Nelson

Posted on 12/27/2017 7:21:22 AM PST by EdnaMode

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To: EdnaMode

It is funny. I’d guess the opposite; Trump’s base is if anything even more firm and determined and larger than they were the first time around. Any politician running against him in the primaries will be politically finished.

There are a number of billionaires out there who think, just because he did it, any billionaire can do it. They do not know the voter, they don’t know Trump, and they don’t frankly know themselves either.


41 posted on 12/27/2017 9:24:52 AM PST by marron
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To: EdnaMode

Ron Paul may be half baked sometimes, but it’s important for people like him to be involved in the political process. Some of the things he says here are absolutely true, and these libertarians are valuable in keeping the GOP from adopting a full-scale globalist agenda.


42 posted on 12/27/2017 9:33:28 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Tell them to stand!" -- President Trump, 9/23/2017)
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... but Congress had ratified a mutual defense treaty with Kuwait.

I call B.S. on this. Please cite any evidence to support this statement. The U.S. would not have needed to go through the idiotic song and dance to get the U.N. involved if this was true.

That is why they didn’t have a military to speak of.

This would make your first part of this statement even more ludicrous. Signing a mutual defense treaty with a country that has no military is the height of irresponsibility.

Kuwait didn't need a mutual defense treaty with the U.S. for the same reason they didn't need a military. Countries like Kuwait and Saudi Arabia had already done a thoroughly effective job of buying influence in the U.S. directly -- to the point where the U.S. government remains a wholly-owned subsidiary of these royal families to this day.

Do you think it's just a coincidence that the U.S. has pissed away thousands of lives and hundreds of billions of dollars in military campaigns that were undertaken on behalf of real estate investment partners of the Bush family?

43 posted on 12/27/2017 9:39:49 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Tell them to stand!" -- President Trump, 9/23/2017)
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To: EdnaMode

You’re not being helpful, Ron. In fact, I’d call that aiding and abetting the enemies of the republic.


44 posted on 12/27/2017 9:47:27 AM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: EdnaMode
"I don't think so Ron. "

Ditto.

45 posted on 12/27/2017 10:20:36 AM PST by blam
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To: EdnaMode

And monkeys may fly...


46 posted on 12/27/2017 11:05:03 AM PST by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken)
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“The appearance of the libertarian movement has been set back partially because of Trump, but intellectually we’ve been doing well,” Paul said, describing a large "hardcore nucleus" of conference-attending enthusiasts.

At the end of the century I was one of those Libertarian Party members attending the nominating conferences. Just after the 9/11 attack, I saw the schism building between those in the Libertarian Party that saw attacks by Islam as initiation of force (thus requiring a principled libertarian response), and those that thought the use of force by Islam was retaliation for transgressions by the the US (Paulists, etc.). That woke me up to the fact that the whole large "L" libertarian party was all smoke and mirrors. Half of the party members were were drawn from disgruntled Democrats and the other half, disgruntled Republicans. It was a loose coalition only held together by cleverly worded buzz phrases. The party leaders know this. Michael Cloud hosts seminars to teach outreach methods to lure in new members by avoiding and deflecting off-putting arguments and presenting cleverly worded statements that many couldn't disagree with.

The one that jumped out at me is, "let peaceful individuals cross borders freely." The thing they will not answer is, who will ever know if an individual is peaceful?

David Bergland, the 1984 Libertarian Party Presidential Candidate, has performed studies of Libertarian Party enthusiasts at every conference and convention for decades. He asks attendees to fill out Myers-Briggs personality surveys and Keirsey Temperament sorters to categorize the members. Their quest has been an ongoing effort to find words that will bring the rest of the 90% of personality types in our nation into their coalition. A hopeless mission.

Some of the seminar takeaways:

1. Politics is war conducted by other means

2. Politics is a war of position

3. In political war the aggressor usually wins

4. Position is defined by Fear and Hope

5. Weapons of political war are symbols that evoke these feelings.

6. Victory lies on the side of the People

Never, ever, ever, under and circumstances define an issue by any means other than Fear and Hope.

Libertarians are anti-Socialist but...

47 posted on 12/27/2017 1:15:51 PM PST by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken)
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I am aware of the situation in the Middle East at the time. I am also aware the president and Congress committed the nation to a war without the formal declaration of war required by the Constitution. The Constitution makes no provision for mutual defense treaties forcing the nation into war without the required Congressional action.


48 posted on 12/27/2017 2:03:12 PM PST by Soul of the South (The past is gone and cannot be changed. Tomorrow can be a better day if we work on it.)
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