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The Lies of ‘The Crown’ and ‘The Post’
WSJ ^ | 28 Dec 2017 | Peggy Noonan

Posted on 01/01/2018 1:18:16 PM PST by Rummyfan

By Peggy Noonan Dec. 28, 2017 7:03 p.m. ET 1222 COMMENTS We often write of the urgent need for more truth in politics. A hope for 2018 is more truth in art and entertainment, too.

The past week I watched the Netflix series “The Crown” and Steven Spielberg’s movie “The Post.” Each is enjoyable, yet fails in the same significant way.

There’s dramatic license, which is necessary or nothing’s fun, and historical truth, which is necessary or nothing’s understood. Ideally in any work they more or less coexist, however imperfectly. But in “The Crown” and “The Post” the balance is far off. A cheap historical mindlessness marks much of the first, and there’s a lie at the heart of the second.

I couldn’t help like “The Crown”: it was so beautiful to me. The acting, the stillness, all the money and thought that went into making the rooms look right, the period clothing, right down to the cuff links—in these matters the creators are deeply faithful to reality. In its treatment of history, however, there’s a deep, clueless carelessness.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: mediabias; movies; peggynoonan; thecrown; thepost

1 posted on 01/01/2018 1:18:16 PM PST by Rummyfan
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To: Rummyfan

Can’t read the article without a subscription to the WSJ.


2 posted on 01/01/2018 1:24:27 PM PST by mkleesma (`Call to me, and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know.')
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To: Rummyfan

I have not seen them. But what Noonan saw is the current equivalent of Orwellian changes in history.

Nasty. Really nasty.


3 posted on 01/01/2018 1:33:57 PM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: marktwain

This site has some really weird, maybe computer translation? of the article.

You can get the drift, if you are able to see through mistranslations of many phrases. Here are the first three paragraphs:

“We incessantly write of the pressing want for extra reality in politics. A hope for 2018 is extra reality in artwork and leisure, too.

The previous week I watched the Netflix sequence “The Crown” and Steven Spielberg’s film “The Post.” Each is pleasing, but fails in the similar important means.

There’s dramatic license, which is essential or not anything’s amusing, and historic reality, which is essential or not anything’s understood. Ideally in any paintings they roughly coexist, on the other hand imperfectly. But in “The Crown” and “The Post” the steadiness is a long way off. An inexpensive historic mindlessness marks a lot of the primary, and there’s a lie on the middle of the second one.”

http://businesstimeless.com/the-lies-of-the-crown-and-the-post/

Very strange version of Peggy’s article.


4 posted on 01/01/2018 1:40:13 PM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: mkleesma

To summarize without the firewalled story. The Washington Post movie is a sham. They were a second-day story after the Pentagon Papers news broke in the times. The whole premise of the movie is false. Ha, ha, Fake News!


5 posted on 01/01/2018 1:40:28 PM PST by BushCountry (thinks he needs a gal whose name doesn't end in ".jpg")
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To: Rummyfan

Noonan died for us here at FR a long time ago.


6 posted on 01/01/2018 1:41:57 PM PST by xp38
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To: xp38

She certainly steps in it, and not infrequently.


7 posted on 01/01/2018 1:46:34 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (Presses can be 'associated,' or presses can be independent. Demand independent presses.)
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To: Rummyfan

Peggy is a self-important, swamp dwelling wind bag and loves the Beltway cocktail crowd on Morning Murder Joe. She is dumber than the escargot I’m sure she eats. Her drivel should be read with such preface...and read with one’s nose tilted upward so if out in the sun, a risk of sunburn is real on the underside of one’s nose.


8 posted on 01/01/2018 1:47:34 PM PST by CincyRichieRich (Hurtling deplorable!)
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To: xp38

Peggy has turned into a nasty old scold.


9 posted on 01/01/2018 1:49:44 PM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: Rummyfan

Tried to watch Crown. It’s a really bad soap opera with people whose charisma, charm and intellect rate a 5.

Too bad Churchill died. Nothing else could save this turkey.

Boooooring.


10 posted on 01/01/2018 2:13:12 PM PST by OpusatFR
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To: marktwain

Inadvertently giggle-worthy: one of the most slapdash machine-translations I’ve ever seen.


11 posted on 01/01/2018 2:14:19 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Stone cold sober, as a matter of fact.)
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To: Rummyfan

I loved The Crown.


12 posted on 01/01/2018 2:21:39 PM PST by LydiaLong
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To: Rummyfan

Summary: “The Crown” and “The Post” are both 90% fiction.


13 posted on 01/01/2018 2:25:16 PM PST by iowamark
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To: OpusatFR

I was okay with “The Crown” until it became little more than an ermine-draped soap opera. Okay, so Elizabeth and Philip had marriage problems. Not much of a surprise, I don’t suppose. But I’m a lot less interested in the cheesy tabloid scandals than I am in the historical context, and unfortunately, the former gets 90 percent of the attention. The history is just a backdrop.


14 posted on 01/01/2018 3:03:38 PM PST by IronJack (A)
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Steel Jacket nails it. I watched the first season of the crown amd thought why all the focus on their fabricated personal lives. It was a waste of time.

If you want interesting entertainment from the Brits, watch the doc Martin series. Interesting, funny, and sad in parts.


15 posted on 01/01/2018 3:18:08 PM PST by Neoliberalnot (MSM is our greatest threat. Disney, Comcast, Hollywood, NYTimes, WaPo, CNN, NBC, CBS...)
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To: OpusatFR
The second season of The Crown was much better. But Peggy's right. The portrayals of MacMillan and JFK are mostly fiction. Also, there is no historical evidence Prince Phillip ever cheated on her.

We enjoyed the series. Hollywood also injects some, well, Hollywood, into its productions.

16 posted on 01/01/2018 5:05:55 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Neoliberalnot

I’ve watched all the season of “Doc Martin.” The last one dropped off considerably, but the first several were delightful.


17 posted on 01/01/2018 8:09:06 PM PST by IronJack (A)
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