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'Es cuando muere': Virginia Senate panel again kills bill to give immigrants driving cards
The Roanoke Times ^ | January 25, 2018 | Robert Zullo

Posted on 01/25/2018 9:41:22 AM PST by Perseverando

Scores of supporters — many Spanish-speaking — of a bill that would provide a “driver-privilege card” to undocumented drivers got a tough lesson in the language of the General Assembly on Wednesday, when Republicans on the Senate Transportation Committee killed the legislation on a party-line vote.

Despite initial cheers and applause at hearing the word “passed,” it quickly became clear that the bill by Sen. Scott Surovell, D-Fairfax, would not advance out of committee for the third year in a row.

“Passed by indefinitely es cuando muere (is when it dies),” one disenchanted supporter told another as dozens of people filed out into the hallways of the Capitol and upstairs to rally around the statue of Thomas Jefferson.

Nestor Rendon, a 33-year-old construction worker from Chesapeake, was carrying his sleepy 5-year-old daughter, Briana, on his shoulder as he came to grips with the fact that the push to find a pathway for immigrants, regardless of their legal status, to drive legally in Virginia if they had filed a state income tax return appeared to have fallen short again.

“I feel a little tired, a little deceived,” said Rendon, who has been in Virginia for 13 years after leaving Mexico. “It’s the principal obstacle to working.”

Surovell said the bill, which still has a companion measure by Del. Robert S. Bloxom Jr., R-Accomack, alive in the House of Delegates, is a tough sell for Republicans given the hard right turn the GOP has taken under President Donald Trump. Trump’s anti-immigrant campaign rhetoric has carried into the White House, mostly recently manifest in his reported lamentation of immigrants from “shithole countries” entering the United States.

“I think the president has really poisoned the well on a lot of immigration-type issues,” Surovell said. “There’s a lot of members that have sympathy for people, but the politics are really getting in the way.”

Sen. Amanda Chase, R-Chesterfield, a member of the Transportation Committee who has partnered with Surovell on legislation in the past, said she couldn’t bring herself to support his bill.

“We have a lot of folks in my district who are very concerned that there are people here in our county who are undocumented,” she said. “A lot of people in my district would say, ‘If you get a Virginia driver’s license, you need to be here legally.’ ”

She said potential political consequences from GOP voters did not play a role in her decision.

“We want the federal government to do their job,” Chase said. “I go for what I feel like is the best thing for my district.”

Chase said she was conflicted about the issue, adding that she understood arguments that bringing undocumented drivers into a regulatory framework could help reduce hit-and-runs and uninsured driving and fix other issues.

But she said Republicans also fear that the cards could be a “slippery slope” and create problems at the polls, despite the fact that the mock-up card prepared by the Department of Motor Vehicles says “not valid for federal, voting or public-benefit purposes.”

“This is something I want to work with out of session,” she said, adding that Surovell’s bill wasn’t ready for “prime time.”

“It’s an ignored problem and it’s something we need to talk about,” Chase said.

The DMV did a lengthy 2016 study. It convened dozens of representatives from law enforcement and governmental organizations, immigrant-rights and Hispanic groups, and state and local officials, among others, to hammer out a framework for providing the cards. The DMV supported the bill in 2016 but did not take a position this time around, Surovell said.

Surovell said the bill had broad benefits, including bringing in what he estimated at $1 billion to state coffers from income taxes, driver fees and insurance premium taxes. There are about 400,000 undocumented people in Virginia, he said.

“A lot of people who are not legally present are living in an underground economy,” Surovell said. “It’s about preventing accidents. It’s about reducing the number of hit-and-run collisions. It’s about broadening the pool of people paying into insurance. It’s about quality of life for these folks’ children who, like anybody else, need to go to the doctor or school.”

And it’s an issue that’s not going away.

“The federal government has no right to tell us who can and can’t drive in our state. That’s up to us,” Surovell said.

Luis Aguilar, 30, an organizer from Alexandria with CASA in Action, an immigrants-rights group, told supporters in Spanish afterward that the vote was a lesson in staying organized and active.

He added that lawmakers’ sympathies wouldn’t help them get to work.

“We’re not going to stop,” he said in Spanish. “We have to stay organized and connected.”


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Government; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: aliens; illegals; vageneralassembly; votefraud
"But she said Republicans also fear that the cards could be a “slippery slope” and create problems at the polls, despite the fact that the mock-up card prepared by the Department of Motor Vehicles says “not valid for federal, voting or public-benefit purposes.”"

Oh yeah! It's all about vote fraud!

Six pictures at the source.

1 posted on 01/25/2018 9:41:22 AM PST by Perseverando
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To: Perseverando

Oh, lo siento bigly.


2 posted on 01/25/2018 9:44:16 AM PST by Sasparilla ( I'm Not Tired of Winning.)
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To: Perseverando

Imagine how deceived American taxpaying citizens feel at having our political class consistently break the laws of the nation by even entertaining the idea of giving illegal invaders “rights”, at our expense.


3 posted on 01/25/2018 9:47:08 AM PST by mrsmel (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Perseverando
Nestor Rendon, a 33-year-old construction worker from Chesapeake, was carrying his sleepy 5-year-old daughter, Briana, on his shoulder as he came to grips with the fact that the push to find a pathway for immigrants, regardless of their legal status, to drive legally in Virginia if they had filed a state income tax return appeared to have fallen short again.

regardless of legal status ? If you are legal, you don't need this law.

Well, at least ICE now knows his name and that he has probably filed a state income tax return.
4 posted on 01/25/2018 9:47:46 AM PST by stylin19a (Best.Election.of.All-Times.Ever.In.The.History.Of.Ever)
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To: Perseverando

“Passed by indefinitely es cuando muere (is when it dies),” one disenchanted supporter told another”

Speak English, you border-crashing taco bender.


5 posted on 01/25/2018 9:55:11 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: stylin19a

How many felons would like to own firearms “regardless of legal status”? Why is this one issue so special that the law can be ignored?


6 posted on 01/25/2018 9:57:18 AM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Flag burners can go screw -- I'm mighty PROUD of that ragged old flag)
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To: Perseverando

Take applications now. Have ICE visit them later!


7 posted on 01/25/2018 10:00:37 AM PST by jdsteel (Give me freedom not more government)
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To: Perseverando

Say no to these demands made by illegal aliens. No drivers licenses, no motor voter registration, no welfare, no entitlements and Real ID checks on all job hiring in every state. Also, make the federal deportation hearing procedures simple to get quick removal orders.


8 posted on 01/25/2018 10:01:09 AM PST by RicocheT (Don't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference.)
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To: Perseverando

No state issued drivers license should be given to illegal aliens as it allows them to (illegally) register for voting, like they do here in CA.

There is no problem with foreigners driving in our roads, as they all can get international drivers licenses.

Just like we have to get, when we visit their countries.


9 posted on 01/25/2018 10:10:44 AM PST by Toughluck_freeper
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To: Perseverando
“I feel a little tired, a little deceived,” said Rendon, who has been in Virginia for 13 years after leaving Mexico. “It’s the principal obstacle to working.”

Well, apparently being an illegal alien isn't an obstacle. How about we just deport this admitted criminal alien?

10 posted on 01/25/2018 10:22:32 AM PST by zeugma
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To: Perseverando

“The reason the (9/11)terrorists got licenses and ID cards in the first place was so that they could avoid using their passports, which they feared would attract unwanted attention. The 9/11 Commission found that the 19 hijackers had been issued 16 state driver’s licenses (from Arizona, California, Florida and Virginia) and 14 state ID cards (from Florida, Maryland and Virginia). They also had at least 364 aliases among them, according to the Commission, so it is possible that had additional licenses and/or ID cards that we will never know about.” https://www.numbersusa.com/PDFs/9-11%20Terrorists%20and%20REAL%20ID%20Act%2003-13-05.pdf


11 posted on 01/25/2018 10:23:47 AM PST by outofsalt ( If history teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything)
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To: jdsteel

Great idea....lol


12 posted on 01/26/2018 5:35:58 AM PST by Ambrosia ( Independent Voter- Southern as grits...Not politically correct! Facts first!)
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To: Perseverando
“I feel a little tired, a little deceived,” said Rendon, who has been in Virginia for 13 years after leaving Mexico. “It’s the principal obstacle to working.”

GO BACK TO MEXICO!!!

Why was ICE not there to arrest and deport these thugs???

13 posted on 01/26/2018 5:38:09 AM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: Perseverando
Nestor Rendon, a 33-year-old construction worker from Chesapeake...

Okay, did this guy lie about his status to his company, file fake identity papers, or did his company just not use e-verify before hiring him?

Inquiring minds want to know ...

14 posted on 01/26/2018 5:44:42 AM PST by BlueLancer (Black Rifle Coffee - Freedom, guns, tits, bacon, and booze!)
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