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Science Group Calls for a National Crackdown on Booze to Achieve 'Zero' DUI Deaths
Reason Magazine ^

Posted on 01/27/2018 7:20:45 AM PST by JP1201

A new report issued last week by the National Academies of Sciences, Getting to Zero Alcohol-Impaired Driving Fatalities: A Comprehensive Approach to a Persistent Problem, urges a host of draconian measures in an effort to eliminate every alcohol-related driving death in the United States.

The NAS report suggests that policy approaches expand dramatically from their present focus, preventing drunk driving, "to also encompass reducing drinking to the point of impairment"—the latter, in other words, targeting all drunkenness.

Getting to zero, in the report's estimation, means a host of nefarious, neo-Prohibitionist approaches to alcohol regulation, including "lowering state per se laws for alcohol-impaired driving to 0.05% blood alcohol concentration (BAC) [from 0.08%, the law today in most states], preventing illegal alcohol sales to... already-intoxicated adults, strengthening regulation of alcohol marketing, and implementing policies to reduce the physical availability of alcohol." It also calls for stepped-up sobriety checkpoints, which can be constitutionally questionable.

The means the report recommends to achieve its unrealistic goals are both obnoxious and intrusive. In the case of reducing the physical availability of alcohol, for example, the report recommends specifically that state and local governments restrict the number of establishments allowed to sell alcohol and reduce "the days and hours of alcohol sales[.]" Among its key recommendations, the report also calls for the federal government and state governments to "increase alcohol taxes significantly."

Dr. Steven Teutsch, chair of the NAS committee that authored the report, admits that eliminating every one of America's more than 10,000 annual alcohol-related driving deaths "sounds like an overly ambitious goal."

It doesn't just sound overly ambitious. The study's title, along with its stated "goal of zero alcohol-impaired driving fatalities" and most of its contents, smacks of bluster, much like previous White House efforts to end poverty or to rid America of childhood obesity—each purportedly capable of being accomplished, at the time of their announcement, "within a generation."

Some members of law enforcement have voiced support for the NAS report's recommendations, particularly for reducing the blood-alcohol threshold to 0.05%.

"I would agree with it," an Ohio sheriff, Larry Mincks, told the local Marietta Times, speaking of the report. "Any amount of alcohol can affect you. I'm a believer in no drinking and driving whatsoever."

Bar owners disagree.

"I think it's going back to the days of the prohibition," said Mary Eddy, a Marietta tavern owner.

Even some law-enforcement officials are skeptical.

"I'm not sure lowering the limit is an effective way to lower deaths from alcohol-related accidents," said Marietta Police Chief Rodney Hupp.

"If our ultimate goals are to reduce driver impairment and maximize highway safety, we should be punishing reckless driving more consistently," wrote former Reason editor Radley Balko in an excellent 2011 article. "It shouldn't matter if it's caused by alcohol, sleep deprivation, prescription medication, text messaging, or road rage."

Drunken driving is a serious problem. I support stiff penalties for those found guilty of driving drunk. But if drunk people shouldn't drive, then sober lawmakers also should not dumb down the term "drunk" so much that it loses meaning and puts anyone who's had a sip of alcohol before getting behind the wheel of a vehicle in the crosshairs of law enforcement.

Despite the fact that most of the NAS committee report's recommendations are both unrealistic and potentially harmful, it's not entirely devoid of reasonable recommendations. For example, it recommends that cities expand transportation alternatives, including allowing smartphone-enabled ride sharing services like Uber.

As I detailed in a 2015 column, "restricting adult access to alcohol is a farcical and failed policy." The disastrous period of alcohol Prohibition in this country led to violence, law-breaking and disrespect for the law among previously law-abiding citizens, and widespread production and consumption of stronger alcohol beverages. Reports like the one issued by NAS last week, which seek to inch us back toward the awful era of Prohibition, are nonstarters.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alcohol; dui; nannystate; neoprohibition; wod
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

.15 used to be the threshold for DUI.


41 posted on 01/27/2018 8:12:24 AM PST by a fool in paradise (Ask a lib if Alger Hiss colluded with the Russians.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Lower numbers is about easier convictions, not safer roads.

And just because you blow below the number doesn’t mean that you are “innocent” in the eyes of the legal system, blowing above the number just means that you meet that standard. They can and in some cases do prosecute below that (down to 0.01).


42 posted on 01/27/2018 8:14:31 AM PST by a fool in paradise (Ask a lib if Alger Hiss colluded with the Russians.)
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To: JP1201

I think that has already been tried. 1919-1932. How’d it work out for America!


43 posted on 01/27/2018 8:16:09 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: samtheman
I guess they don’t know much about history.

Or biology, a science book, or the French they took.
44 posted on 01/27/2018 8:19:59 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: EQAndyBuzz

What happens when you sell the car?


45 posted on 01/27/2018 8:27:27 AM PST by IronJack (A)
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To: eclecticEel

Crap, that would be enough to make just about any guy chug the nearest container of alcohol he could get.


46 posted on 01/27/2018 8:46:14 AM PST by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Flag burners can go screw -- I'm mighty PROUD of that ragged old flag)
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To: JP1201

For one thing, it would require another Constituional amendment,


Alas, it wouldn’t, not now. The 18th Amendment was passed at a time when the Constitution was believed to mean what it actually said. Powers not granted to the Federal government were reserved for the states. States could prohibit alcohol but the Federal government could not. Legal thinking has “evolved” quite a bit in the last century. Congress could outlaw (and apparently mandate—see ObamaCare) anything and it would pass Constitutional muster.


47 posted on 01/27/2018 9:04:43 AM PST by hanamizu
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To: JP1201

If you get rid of all the Mexicans, DUI deaths will drop to almost ZERO!


48 posted on 01/27/2018 9:16:14 AM PST by Cowboy Bob
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To: slumber1

I have no real objection to your plan, the only problem is that it is more severe than the penalties for 1st degree murder (in most states).


49 posted on 01/27/2018 9:18:56 AM PST by Afterguard (Deplorable me!)
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To: Artemis Webb

Yeah that really went well the last time.....


50 posted on 01/27/2018 9:20:49 AM PST by EdnaMode
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To: JP1201

This seems really familiar..... hmm.....


51 posted on 01/27/2018 9:32:46 AM PST by servo1969
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To: JP1201

Stupid academics. Do they want to stop all DUIs then do something about drug use


52 posted on 01/27/2018 9:57:04 AM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: eclecticEel
prohibition DEAL!
53 posted on 01/27/2018 10:06:06 AM PST by Ronald_Magnus
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To: JP1201

These scientists are classic naval starers. No common sense, but hey, look at that!


54 posted on 01/27/2018 10:14:03 AM PST by vpintheak (Freedom is not equality; and equality is not freedom!)
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To: JP1201
The NAS report is available online RIGHT HERE

The NAS is not a scientific body, but another political prostitution ring, as this report demonstrates. There is nothing scientific about it.

2/3 of accidents are not alcohol related and only 1/3 are suggests that increased booze consumption will improve traffic safety. It certainly could not harm the quality of science practiced body of hacks in the name of science.

There are a number of facts not addressed. For instance a bar chart showing fraction of accidents where the driver determined at fault under the traffic laws, vs blood alcohol level at the time of the accident. Include null results as well.

Instead this so-called study takes as a given the data provided, without question or examination and immediately leep into the socialist policy formulation - WHICH IS NOT THE JOB OF THE [Trump's alleged favorite swearwords excluded] NAS. The NAS is supposed to be where the country can go to get scientific advice on matter important for public policy - not to advocate that policy or decide what that policy should be.

The NAS has become just another K-street lobbying outfit, this one funded, richly, through taxpayer dollars.

55 posted on 01/27/2018 10:43:45 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: JP1201
And let's consult the bio of the study chair

Steven M. Teutsch is an independent consultant; Adjunct Professor at the Fielding School of Public Health, UCLA; Senior Fellow at the Public Health Institute; and Senior Fellow, Schaeffer Center, University of Southern California. He was formerly the Chief Science Officer, Los Angeles County Public Health where he worked on evidence-based public health and policy.

IOW this guy is, surprise surprise, a policy hack.

56 posted on 01/27/2018 10:46:29 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: JP1201
"....Science Group Calls for a National Crackdown on Booze to Achieve 'Zero' DUI Deaths...."

I call for a national crackdown on scientists at the National Academy of Sciences to achieve "zero" stupid ideas.

Why not just eliminate all cars so the chance of drunk driving in one of them would be zero?

Or why not just ban the drivers of those cars so nobody can drink, drive or cause DUI deaths?

Or why not just go all the way and ban all people on earth before they do something these scientists don't like?

Oopsie! My bad. The climate scientists are already suggesting that.

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57 posted on 01/27/2018 11:03:32 AM PST by HotHunt
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To: Artemis Webb

“Yes. Ban booze!
What could possibly go wrong.”

Replace it with Marijuana?


58 posted on 01/27/2018 11:06:41 AM PST by vette6387
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Yeah, those 1974 cars that had the seat belt interlock were sooo popular with the citizens that they lasted one model year, along with the 80 mph speedometers. Back then, it was so much fun to peg the needle!


59 posted on 01/27/2018 11:09:52 AM PST by vette6387
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To: DIRTYSECRET
That won't be a solution. Let's say that two self-driving cars crash into each other and one person in one of the cars had "too much" to drink.

The authorities will declare the accident "alcohol related".

That's what they do now if a taxi crashes into another car and the only drunk person is the passenger in the taxi.

60 posted on 01/27/2018 11:16:08 AM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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