Who in their right mind would ever offer the doubling of illegals to gain citizenship? He’s been great but to consummate this would end his presidency. Bad. As he would say.
Build the wall and get back to DACA in 7 years.
They’re not going to take the deal. They’re for open borders and he knows it....so do I. He set a trap for them, he’s been willing to give up things on the negotiation table and they STILL won’t budge!!!!
No.
He is exposing them for POS they really are and can then ridicule them mercilessly, gaining support for his position...ours...
No it won’t. The dems will never accept because they don’t want to
Trump just check mated them
Trump is only offering citizenship to those that earn it. Good track record of working - those people hate taxes, potential conservative voters.
Still your racing hearts, this is just a bargaing strategy. Good Ole' Boy Trump offered and excrement sandwich to the Dimwits, knowing they would not eat it. That frees POTUS to propose a real policy, offering nothing, as the Dimwits refused to negotiate. Brilliant, he his going to get his way, and we are going to be happy. AND, the Dims get will have to eat their sandwich, so sad, too bad, munch munch.
Consider that the President is playing the DemocRATS with this “offer”. He knows they only want to use immigration as a weapon not a solution.
The deal actually makes sense...
LOL...I see you’ve been properly schooled by several astute FReepers.
You can put the pearls away, now. ;-)
I too am trying to figure this expansion to 1.8 million.
Some of the comments has been to throw things out there to see what the Dems and GOPe would counteroffer. The media and the illegal immigration corwd has been playing the 800,000 number, when they know the number is much larger.
We all know there are millions of illegal immigrants outside of DACA. Depending on which (lies) one reads, it is 8 , 12, 15,...30 million. If “amnesty” is limited to only 1.8 million, chain migration and immigration lottery ended, then the other 6, 10, 13, 28 million illegals will not become Dem voters, and may even be deported. That might be worth it.
I would like to see (1) all eligible DACA persons must renounce their country of origin citizenship - no dual citizenship allowed; (2) applying for a foreign passport after US status - citizenship is granted, is grounds for deportation; (3) voting rights shall accrue 12 years after the wall is completed; (4) No DACA for persons who entered this country after 2012 (5) No more anchor babies.
Unfortunately, the DACA people whom I have seen lately advocating for DACA on television do not appear to have the love for America that one would expect of such persons given a chance to live in the greatest country in the world - it is an extreme entitlement mentality to put it kindly. I am becoming more unsympathetic to their cause as I observe and learn more on this issue.
> Who in their right mind would ever offer the doubling of illegals to gain citizenship?
I hated Obama’s illegal DACA. But congress wouldn’t fix things so he took it on himself to do something. I would hate Trump just as much for acting unconstitutionally even in something I approve (i.e. “finding” money to build the wall like Obama did to prop up Obamacare). That means he has to work with congress.
I’d love to see a better idea. But to me, this looks like the deal maker I voted for. If we get the deal, we have 2 million new citizens in 12 years AND a secure border. If not, we probably get 10 million new illegals over the next 12 years - unless you have a better idea for building the wall and fixing border/visa security without congress.
Even if McConnell got rid of the filibuster, we have Graham and a few others to deal with. If you have a better idea, it needs to take those problems into account.
If 2 million new voters in 12 years is the issue, think about what happens if the Ds get control with 20 million illegals they can give citizenship to. I’d rather have Trump and republicans make 2 million new voters very happy AND secure the border than wait for Ds to get the credit.
And, why can’t Rs win immigrant votes? (if that’s the concern) They have 12 years to make the conservative case for these dreamers not to vote D. I’ll bet on that happening if Trump can stay around 1/2 that time making the case (since other Rs don’t seem able). And another advantage of this deal is that the Ds lose their biggest argument for immigrant votes.
In theory, this violates many principles I demand (rule of law, sovereign borders, etc). In reality, DC is a swamp, voters who elected Ds to congress and liberal states deserve representation, and Trump is not a dictator.
Yep.