Creation vs Evolution: The Bombardier Beetle Challenge

Creation Evolution Headlines ^ | February 8, 2018 | David F. Coppedge

[SkyDancer]

Evolution is like taking a bunch of watch parts and putting them in a box and shaking it for a couple of hundred million years and out pops an assembled watch; or having a bunch of car parts shoved through a building real slow for the same amount of time and out pops a Buick.

[BroJoeK]

SkyDancer: "Adaptation. They didn’t evolve into something else. They’re still frogs."

All evolution is adaption, all adaption is evolution.
Only the time scales differ -- shorter terms versus longer terms.

[SkyDancer]

I’m waiting for a monkey to ‘adapt’ itself as a giraffe.

[Ezekiel]

The “random chance” crowd might also think that the name Trump is random chance as well.

What can you do.

The Redemption Plan is a plan. When that becomes unavoidably obvious, some folks’ thinking will evolve, others’ thinking won’t. Survival of the fittest - irony overload.

[BroJoeK]

aMorePerfectUnion: "When the dogs became birds - it was at the moment one flew by - I came to see just how the small changes add up!"

Bird Dogs:

Or, as the case may be, dog birds:

;-)

[aMorePerfectUnion]

The second looks like the minature warbling beagle!

[BroJoeK]

UCANSEE2: "Whether it be evolution, adaptation, micro vs. macro, the basic process that has to occur is that each CELL in the creature involved has to CHANGE what type of cell it is and what other cells it is attached to.
WHAT determines this ?
What directs the cell to be a different ‘type’ of cell ?"

I take it you do understand basic reproduction -- eggs, sperms, gametes, zygotes, chromosomes, DNA, etc?
If you don't, then why are you posting here?
Crack a book, dummy.

[BroJoeK]

SkyDancer: "I’m waiting for a monkey to ‘adapt’ itself as a giraffe."

You'll be waiting a very long time.
Best to find something else to keep you busy.

[BroJoeK]

SkyDancer: "Evolution is like taking a bunch of watch parts and putting them in a box and shaking it for a couple of hundred million years and out pops an assembled watch..."

Total nonsense because no watch can reproduce itself nor is any watch subject to "natural selection" based on its inherited characteristics.

[SkyDancer]

Molecules don’t self assemble themselves into a frog, something cause them to. Also, begs the question: when did the molecules first self evolve?

[Tucker39]

I have a recording of it. If you go to their website you can hear it for yourself.

[Eric Pode of Croydon]

It’s perfectly possible to believe in a Creator and in evolution and an 4 billion year old earth.

[tet68]

everyone knows that God is the first astronomer...

Dude, astrologer, astrologer!

[Thibodeaux]

You are calling up an irrelevant anecdote

Creationist always rely on zoological anecdotes that are actually trivial.

Creationists that somehow have a very short time line can’t seem to grasp the concept of time because since God did it, time doesn’t matter

Of course, having a closed mind, you would never spend time in the field actually observing plants and the variability and adaptive change that results in speciation.

I’m bad and broke my rule....... never argue with an ignorant man

[BroJoeK]

SkyDancer: "Molecules don’t self assemble themselves into a frog, something cause them to."

No molecule ever assembled itself into a frog, that's ludicrous.
But simple organic molecules do "complexify" under the right conditions.
And complex chemistry continues to "complexify" so long as conditions favor it.
Is that how life on Earth originated?
Nobody knows for sure, but it's one of several proposed hypotheses.

SkyDancer: "Also, begs the question: when did the molecules first self evolve?"

Nobody knows for sure when or how "complexification" first happened, much less where -- was it even on this planet or somewhere else in the Universe?

Panspermia is the hypothesis that some or all of life's chemistry came to Earth from elsewhere.
But my opinion is the geological record does not support any suggestions of "sudden" or "explosive" advances in life for the Earth's first four billion years.
Plenty of time for what happened to have happened here.

[SoConPubbie]

Which wasn’t true, wasn’t what Darwin said, and the actual concept involved APES evolving into HUMANS, but facts were deemed unimportant during the trial.

Yeah, like that made a big difference!

[BroJoeK]

Tucker39: "I have a recording of it.
If you go to their website you can hear it for yourself."

Whose website?

This website examined your alleged quote and found nothing to confirm it.

[Tucker39]

https://www.djameskennedy.org/

[BroJoeK]

So you're saying that website includes a recording of Julian Huxley saying what you quoted in post #20?

I didn't see it.
Others who chased down that rabbit hole didn't find it either.

Hmmmmmm.....

Of course Julian Huxley (1887-1975) was an evolutionist, eugenicist and atheist, so perhaps in a careless moment he might have said something similar.
Still it's remarkable that the alleged source for this alleged quote remains so... elusive.

[Popman]

That’s a point I always use when discussing this topic with evolutionist...

Typically just makes them mad...

Then i throw Pascals wager at them.
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