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Graffiti Artists Awarded $6.7 Million for Destroyed 5Pointz Murals
New York Times ^ | February 12, 2018 | ALAN FEUER

Posted on 02/14/2018 6:27:26 AM PST by reaganaut1

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To: reaganaut1

The good news is that building owners will now police their walls for this vandalism like a cat for mice in the basement and destroy them before they can gain recognition.

Right now, owners association newsletters are pumping out warnings to building owners not to let a graffiti movement get started on their buildings lest they lose them to the vandals.


21 posted on 02/14/2018 6:58:42 AM PST by anton
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To: grobdriver

So force these “artists” to pay taxes and upkeep on these buildings they used for their own selfish reasons. We have to get these lawyers and judges under control. They make millions on ridiculous crap.


22 posted on 02/14/2018 6:59:00 AM PST by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: reaganaut1

What if the owner wants to tear it down? Better yet, what if the government wants to tear it down to build something for the people?


23 posted on 02/14/2018 7:01:34 AM PST by Terry Mross (Liver spots And blood thinners..)
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To: PIF

Isn’t Majority Rule great? 51% favor you having no rights over your property — Bingo, Democracy at work.


24 posted on 02/14/2018 7:03:07 AM PST by KC Burke (If all the world is a stage, I would like to request my lighting be adjusted.)
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To: Varda

You just need to make a big freaking deal out of it that you are using NON_AEROSOL PAINT AS TO NOT DAMAGE THE OZONE LAYER AND PROMOTE GLOBULL CATASTROPHIC WARMING/COOLING.

The “artist” can buy carbon credits with his 5Mil then spend the rest of his life in jail for being an idiot and spreading it around until we all were involved in this thing against our wills................!!!


25 posted on 02/14/2018 7:06:42 AM PST by Delta 21 (Build The Wall !! Jail The Cankle !!)
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To: Delta 21

Good point, not only am I not damaging the ozone layer but the application process is totally organic and using indigenous methods ;-)


26 posted on 02/14/2018 7:13:42 AM PST by Varda (Liberalism IS hate)
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To: reaganaut1

Well the law says otherwise. And I bet you didn’t read the facts of the case either.


27 posted on 02/14/2018 7:13:58 AM PST by The Cuban
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To: robroys woman

Property rights are more important than free speech rights. Property rights are human rights according to Milton Friedman.


28 posted on 02/14/2018 7:16:19 AM PST by VietVet876
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To: Red Badger

Bingo.


29 posted on 02/14/2018 7:17:07 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: reaganaut1

So Ny has a law that allows people to deface others’ property, as long as someone calls it art. This is nothing more than the left’s ongoing drive to eliminate private property, while keeping the name.

You get to pay taxes on it, and insurance. You must do the upkeep. But it isn’t yours. It’s the government’s.


30 posted on 02/14/2018 7:23:40 AM PST by I want the USA back (Cynicism may just keep you from going insane in a world that has chosen its own demise.)
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To: heterosupremacist

OK, that is not “art.” Would this liberal judge like that sprayed on his mansion?


31 posted on 02/14/2018 7:33:14 AM PST by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: The Cuban
Yeah. If the owner allowed the guy to paint the graffiti, but...

1. Did the owner pay the "artist" to paint it or at least supply the $$ for the supplies?

2. $6.7 million for graffiti?? how is it worth that much? At least that is challengable.

3. Who decides on "recognized stature"? Shouldn't that be decided upon before it can be erased/painted over?

32 posted on 02/14/2018 7:39:02 AM PST by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: null and void

...or if all the graffiti was pro-Conservative, pro-Trump.


33 posted on 02/14/2018 7:54:53 AM PST by houeto
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To: VietVet876

I vacillate between the two. I think we both agree they are pretty darned important and basic.

The idea that some goofy council and mayor can pass a law saying that someone, if they are a “specially recognized artistic force” can apply their art to your property and you don’t have a right to remove it is absolutely preposterous.

Ignoring the obvious rights issues, art is subjective. What one man likes, another loathes. e.g. I’m not into Punk.


34 posted on 02/14/2018 7:55:57 AM PST by robroys woman (So you're not confused, I'm male.)
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To: reaganaut1

Did the buildings owners give permission for the graffiti to be painted? If not then the ‘artists’ were trespassing. And if the owners did give permission then it demonstrates their rights of ownership and they can decide how they paint their property which they are also paying property taxes on too. Flux the ruling and appeal.


35 posted on 02/14/2018 8:00:56 AM PST by tflabo (Varmints)
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To: robroys woman

The quality or lack thereof is irrelevant here. The act of putting something on a building in which you have no ownership interest nor permission to do so be it a sign or graffiti or a copy of a Rembrandt ranges from vandalism to destruction of property. Such a law prohibiting owner removal of graffiti should constitute a taking without just compensation. Hopefully, the aggrieved property owner will take this to the highest Court in the land which should rule with enough force to kick the council, mayor and the rest of the turds supporting the law back to the ideological shit holes where they were initially crapped out into the atmosphere.


36 posted on 02/14/2018 8:12:43 AM PST by VietVet876
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To: VietVet876

We are in utter agreement.

During my last post, I was imagining coming out of my home one day and finding that Andy Warhol had created one of his monstrosities on my garage door and the law requires that I leave it there because, you know, it was done by Andy Warhol.

That’s just stupid on any piece of property that falls within the jurisdiction of the US constitution, though It may play well in Cuba or NK.


37 posted on 02/14/2018 8:22:03 AM PST by robroys woman (So you're not confused, I'm male.)
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To: reaganaut1
Graffiti Artists

Oxymoron.

38 posted on 02/14/2018 8:24:18 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: reaganaut1; ExTexasRedhead; mazda77

“From the start, the 5Pointz case had pitted two of New York City’s most prominent sectors against each other: the art world and the real estate business.”

So grafitti vandals are considered part of the “art world?” Well, I guess if pi$$ in a bottle with a crucifix, or buffalo $hit on a canvas is considered “art,” it makes sense!


39 posted on 02/14/2018 8:30:07 AM PST by vette6387
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To: nuke_road_warrior

“Does this mean that the NYC Subway system owes gang bangers money when they clean the tags and profanity off the cars?”

Well, from what I’ve seen, all the newer NYC subway cars are stainless steel skinned so they can be cleaned with paint stripper. So, so much for NYC’s “support for the arts!”


40 posted on 02/14/2018 8:33:03 AM PST by vette6387
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