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GDOT Proposes Trucks Only Interstate: No Cars Allowed
Construction Equipment ^ | February 7, 2018 | Construction Equipment

Posted on 02/16/2018 7:45:24 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

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To: plsvn

Yes, the sports thing is just way, way, out of hand. And it’s because the sports industry and media have made athletes into heroes. Heroic for doing what? Between them, my two sons won 3 state high school football titles. It was fun for them, and us, but they got injuries that they will feel for the rest of their lives. It’s really not worth it.

And this obsession with having high school sports facilities that rival big universities and the pros is ridiculous.


41 posted on 02/17/2018 7:11:23 AM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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To: Alberta's Child

Overnight in the midwest is a see of thousands of trucks making a long haul. And the trucks include mexico and canada.

You’ve always had to offload hopper cars, tankers, or cargo to trucks.

Should we also have floating trucks since ports are distant from consumers?


42 posted on 02/17/2018 7:20:02 AM PST by a fool in paradise (Ask a lib if Alger Hiss colluded with the Russians.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Thought we had that system now called a ‘railroad’, no cars allowed.


43 posted on 02/17/2018 7:24:27 AM PST by redcatcherb412 (Emerged intact.)
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To: vette6387

and what the hell do you call fair share,in 94 iquit driving was paying 20k a year in road tax.


44 posted on 02/17/2018 7:40:45 AM PST by old gringo (a wise monkey never monkeys with another monkeys monkey.)
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To: xrmusn

You are the only one to see the truth of the matter.
When Eisenhower proposed the Interstate Road System it was for the purposes of COMMERCE AND DEFENSE. Not so someone could get to work quicker or have a nicer vacation.

IIRC the federal gov can declare a state of emergency and close all interstate highways to all but commerce and defense traffic.


45 posted on 02/17/2018 7:42:40 AM PST by oldvirginian ("The people built this country. And it is the people who are making America great again.” D TRUMP)
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To: a fool in paradise
Heavy, dense loads like dry and liquid bulk commodities are among the few loads that are economical to ship over distances less than 400 miles in a train. The higher weight capacity of the railroad offsets the inefficiencies of transloading the cargo.

Maritime shipping is an even more obvious example of this. It probably costs less to move a ton of cargo 5,000 miles across the ocean than truck it 50 miles up the road. It's all about the economies of scale of the transport mode.

46 posted on 02/17/2018 7:45:07 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Go ahead, bite the Big Apple ... don't mind the maggots.")
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To: Zuriel

Good to know you’re one of the safe ones!! Keep it between the lines FR friend!!


47 posted on 02/17/2018 7:56:42 AM PST by 9422WMR
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To: niteowl77

“Trains should haul, trucks should deliver.”

So basically you want to triple the rail hubs now in operation?
Talk to the people who live near those rail hubs before you wish.
They hate the increased truck traffic, bobtails waiting for the RR to FINALLY get the trailer to the hub, every trucking company needing a nearby storage yard and so forth and so on.

And when gas taxes go up because truck taxes by mile have been reduced, along with the price of everything hauled by train, you can thank the railroads because they WILL be subsidised by your tax dollars.

Its much more complicated than you think.
If rail was the most effective method of transporting goods trucks would never have gotten a foothold.


48 posted on 02/17/2018 8:01:18 AM PST by oldvirginian ("The people built this country. And it is the people who are making America great again.” D TRUMP)
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To: vette6387
Trucks have had a free ride on the taxpayers for years.

Considering that the average MPG of a tractor trailer is approx. 6 MPG and state taxes on gasoline are usually earmarked for highway maintenance, I think it's safe to say that the trucking industry is paying at least 4 times more taxes than you.

And since a typical long haul trucker will drive upwards of 100,000 miles per year compared to the annual average of 12,000 miles for a typical car, that's approx. 32 times the amount of taxes a trucker pays on an annual basis than a typical commuter...........

That's hardly getting a free ride...

49 posted on 02/17/2018 8:11:38 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (My cat is not fat, she is just big boned........)
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To: oldvirginian

IIRC the federal gov can declare a state of emergency and close all interstate highways to all but commerce and defense traffic.
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I remember going through Connecticut when all this I construction was going on and they were doing extensive work on what is now 95 .... Their posted signs said ‘Road OFFICIALLY Closed’ proceed at your own risk, pay attention etc...or words to that effect)...Good idea, guess it somewhat relieves them of liability in certain cases.


50 posted on 02/17/2018 8:13:45 AM PST by xrmusn ((6/98)""Assume this is preceded by 'there is somebody somewhere who will say'")
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To: CodeToad

I dont care what you call it as long as you get the damn semi-trucks and poorly (if at all) maintained trailers off the roads where I drive my car!

Make a 3rd or 4th lane for semis only at the far right. Semi trucks mingling with automobile traffic at 75 mph needs to be stopped. More “Truck only” and “Car Only” lanes.


51 posted on 02/17/2018 8:18:36 AM PST by Delta 21 (Build The Wall !! Jail The Cankle !!)
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To: Zuriel

“The truck I drive now is set at 75. A Cat C15, 6NZ version (probably the best combination of power, fuel economy, and reliability that Cat ever made, and is turning close to 600hp as set.)”

HAHAHA!
That made me flash back to the first truck I drove.
A cabover Jimmy with a 120 hp engine and 13 speed tranny.
It got all of 3 mpg.

Ain’t those Nebraska headwinds a hoot?


52 posted on 02/17/2018 8:20:17 AM PST by oldvirginian ("The people built this country. And it is the people who are making America great again.” D TRUMP)
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To: TermLimits4All

——Once in the local area it does however need to be distributed.——

Seemingly that point is being missed by many posters....

Being distributed is normally done by truck. Point to point delivery in the long haul is faster, cheaper and easier...

In this world of just now inventory the choo choo is just too slow...


53 posted on 02/17/2018 8:22:23 AM PST by Popman (My sin was great, Your love was greater  What could separate us now…)
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To: Secret Agent Man

——They will be constantly repairing the truck lanes all the time.——

Not if built with right specs..


54 posted on 02/17/2018 8:24:35 AM PST by Popman (My sin was great, Your love was greater  What could separate us now…)
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To: xrmusn

“Good idea, guess it somewhat relieves them of liability in certain cases.”

Officially Closed means STAY OFF.
Damage your car......your problem
Die on the road......your problem
The government is completely without risk.


55 posted on 02/17/2018 8:26:50 AM PST by oldvirginian ("The people built this country. And it is the people who are making America great again.” D TRUMP)
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To: oldvirginian
I work for an industry that relies on railroads from ports to midwestern cities as well as long-haul trucks for both container and LTL, so am familiar with the logistics of same. Unless the stats have changed drastically in the last ten years, cost-effectiveness for bulk commodities and containerized cargo in CONUS remains: barge > rail > truck. All three get subsidized through taxpayer $$$, and all three pay taxes on every gallon of diesel fuel. Per ton/mile, efficiency will dictate who pays more fuel tax.

Is it complicated? Hell yes! Toss air freight into the mix and it gets even worse.

56 posted on 02/17/2018 8:37:46 AM PST by niteowl77
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To: Hot Tabasco

“I think it’s safe to say that the trucking industry is paying at least 4 times more taxes than you.”

But it still does not cover the damage trucks do to our roadways. I was stopped on the side of I-680 the other day checking the tie-downs on a small load in my 5x8 utility trailer in an area where the shoulder pavement was so narrow that I had to walk two and from the driver’s seat on the edge of the concrete roadway. I was shocked when an 18 wheeler went by, that the section of the roadway slab I was on jumped perceptibly. I might add that this section of roadway has had some “pavement restoration” recently. So now, i just imagine the when it rains, these individual slabs get water under them, and the truck traffic “pumps the base” causing the slab to ultimately fail. My only point is that all users of the nation’s roadways should pay in proportion to the amount of damage their use causes.
And I am really pi$$ed off here that the State gives EV’s and Hybrids, stickers to allow them free use of HOV lanes and that in the case of the EV’s pay no fuel taxes at all.
So some guy gets a subsidy to buy a Tesla (a luxury vehicle by any standard) and then he gets to drive in on the roadways on electricity on which he pays no road use tax because he doesn’t buy and gasoline where these taxes are imposed. And the real irony is that since most of our electricity comes from burning fossil fuels, these cars are in the net, greater polluters than ordinary IC engined vehicles.


57 posted on 02/17/2018 8:55:50 AM PST by vette6387
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To: oldvirginian

The worst continuous headwind I had to deal with was going from Davenport, IA, to Worthington, MN, back in January 2004. It was strong out of the NW. The gusts were really buffeting the rig, even though I was pulling a feed hopper, and grossing over 79k#. I actually preferred the direct headwinds. It was the times it was hitting me at an angle that made it job to drive. Horrible mileage on that trip.

What made that run even more memorable was the fact that after I unloaded at Worthington, I was turning into the Pilot at Sioux Fall, when the engine ran out of fuel. I coasted to fuel island. Yanked the old filter off. Filled the spare, and put it on. The engine started right up, thank God.


58 posted on 02/17/2018 8:57:43 AM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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To: niteowl77

“Is it complicated? Hell yes! Toss air freight into the mix and it gets even worse.”

At least you see the whole spectrum of shipping. Most people just knee jerk scream Get Rid Of Trucks because they inconvenience their vacation or daily commute.

The modern Just In Time inventory system used by most businesses would also have to be revamped to accommodate the truck reduction most people want.

As a former truck driver I wish there had been truck only routes the last few years. Hell, I would have paid reasonable tolls to drive on truck only highways.

Each segment of the transportation bidness has it’s role to play.
On loads that are less time sensitive and are non-perishable rail has a strong hand to play.

On time sensitive and perishable loads trucks rule.

On the few times I picked up a load at a rail yard I found the rail workers arrogant union a@@holes that did a minimum of work.

I’ve pulled meat from the Midwest, produce from the west and south, cheese from Wisconsin, chocolate from PA, you name it and I’ve hauled it.
Even shoes out of Florida.

I’ve hauled government loads where the only thing I knew was the time and place of pick up.
The military escort would give me the route and fuel stops after loading.

It was a hoot and I still miss it.


59 posted on 02/17/2018 9:31:31 AM PST by oldvirginian ("The people built this country. And it is the people who are making America great again.” D TRUMP)
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To: Thibodeaux

Yup. Trucks get things from a railhead to a place not along a railway much better than trains. For shipping freight long distaces trains are orders of magnitude more efficient especially when you look at the cost of maintaining a rail line versus an asphalt road for the same weight of freight being carried

Here is a thought.

You try actually researching history and learn about the punitive taxation and regulation heaped upon the rail industry during FDR’s administration designed to make trucks competitive.

Vast ignorance on your part does not in any way invalidate the point I made.


60 posted on 02/17/2018 9:41:20 AM PST by MrEdd (Caveat Emptor)
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