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To: Eleutheria5

>> But what makes you sure it’s the CIA ordering the FBI around? Can’t the NSA have a nefarious agenda, too?

I can’t be sure. Yes, it could be the NSA. But based on everything I’ve been reading lately, if I had to bet, I’d stick with my original guess.

There is a lot of evidence that says the CIA/FBI are corrupt. (Comey, McCabe, Brennan, Clapper, Rosenstein, Strzok, ........ I can’t even remember all of the players.) I have to admit that I have not been a big fan of the NSA because I have long been convinced that they are spying on all of us. And I am still 100% against that.

But stepping back and looking at the big picture, it looks like Adm. Rogers at the NSA was the one who tipped off Pres. Trump that he was being bugged. That doesn’t mean I will give them a pass, but at least in the short term, they are, if not the good guys, then at least the slightly less horrible guys.

There seems to be a rivalry between NSA and CIA. From what I gather, when the NSA started becoming an important player in the spy biz, the CIA got jealous and things went downhill from there. Or maybe they were already going downhill, but the picked up speed. I think the CIA is the heart of the Deep State, where most of the control is.

Some people have the theory - and it sounds plausible to me - that Snowden was a CIA guy who was sent to the NSA to spy on them for the CIA. Then the theories seem to diverge as to exactly what happened. Some think he was horrified at what the CIA was doing. Some think he was horrified at what the NSA was doing. Some think he was just horrified at all of it. Some think his defection/flight to Russia was fake and he is still a CIA operative. I haven’t read enough to have any strong opinions there. But him starting out as a CIA spy sent to spy on the NSA sounds right.

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48 posted on 02/17/2018 6:54:16 PM PST by generally ( Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: generally

The way I see it, there’s no good way to have a stable of spooks. They inevitably have their own agenda, and as they are masters of misdirection and deceit, you can never really know what that is. Since they’re licensed to commit criminal acts while spying and infiltrating criminal and other spying organizations, it’s impossible to hold them accountable except sometimes. By definition they are conspiring against other conspirators. Nonetheless, the world is too dangerous to simply not engage in spying. And spies are too dangerous to be left to their own devices. So, you do what you can. Don’t trust, and verify where possible. Definitely don’t put them on a pedastal as some “super patriots”. Maybe there are some who are, but it’s not safe to assume that. It’s a creepy business that no major power can do without, and nobody dares trust. It’s also a thankless business, and they’d better not expect thanks.


49 posted on 02/18/2018 1:01:45 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (“If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarism.)
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