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To: Kaslin

I read an article claiming that 292 total guns have been used in mass shootings over the 50 years or so. Call it 300.

300 million guns in America.

Only one gun in a million has been used in a mass shooting. That’s incredible gun control. Obviously it’s not gun control that is the problem.

Show me a city or state where only one person per million commits a murder.

The answer is better security at schools and lunatic control. Because way more than one lunatic in a million commits murder.


6 posted on 02/19/2018 12:43:45 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (DACA is going to be a riot!)
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To: SaxxonWoods

This is one of those issues where the left’s total rejection of those on the other side serves to ensure that solutions are never arrived upon.

The problem with the conversation is a lack of respect for other people’s values. There is no question that on every campus you will find 1 or 2 or more people of unquestionable reputation, reliability and dedication who would agree to discretely carry concealed on campus and pledge that, God forbid, in the unlikely event of a threat they would step up to defend the kids. But a vocal grouping of people will simply never accept this, and some heap scorn on those with a different view rather than respect their fidelity to a peaceful, but different, way of living from their own.

Ironically, there is probably more “trust” placed on the police by the left than on the right so to speak. Those who wish to outlaw or severely restrict access to guns are not likely to also agree to disarm the police forces. But on the right, many people acknowledge that when seconds count the police are only minutes away.

The kids as well as the teachers and staff are basically, by law, mandatory sitting ducks. It is not feasible to expect that school campuses will be made as secure as a penitentiary - and even in prisons we know all kinds of malfeasance occurs. Build a giant wall, someone will sneak contraband in via drone if they are so determined. It is likewise unrealistic - and imo would add negatively to the already misguided nature of public schooling - to hire a police force for every campus. There are no perfect solutions but making people, by law, impotent to protect themselves is part of the problem we already have.


9 posted on 02/19/2018 1:26:38 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: SaxxonWoods

“one gun in a million”

Great way to frame the debate. However, the ratio is even smaller, as you’d need to quantify the total number of guns in existence over the last 50 years.

IOW - there are ~300 million now - but how many have been “decommissioned” over the last 50 years? Another 50-100 million?


12 posted on 02/19/2018 2:07:40 PM PST by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: SaxxonWoods

Do you recall how “mass shooting” was defined in the article you read?

There are many definitions in common use.

For instance, the FBI crime statistics define a mass shooting as 4 or more deaths, and there are usually 100+ of those each year.

Thanks.


13 posted on 02/19/2018 2:13:52 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: SaxxonWoods
Armed security in schools is a useful tool to help abate anxiety among the hysterics. It might even stop a shooter one day. I’m all for it, but understand: it won’t solve the basic problem which is cultural deterioration.
22 posted on 02/19/2018 8:29:22 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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