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The Only Thing We Know for Sure After a Mass Shooting
Townhall.com ^ | February 20, 2018 | Bernard Goldberg

Posted on 02/20/2018 5:24:52 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: Responsibility2nd
... there also was an unarmed security guard on the campus.

Yes, the Hero Coach did the only thing he could do. He was set up to be a sacrificial lamb by bureaucratic stupidity.

41 posted on 02/20/2018 6:23:04 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Strzok and Page - The very definition of SEDITION and TREASON!)
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To: Kaslin

In this facilities case, their security system should be brought to public scrutiny . Particularly of the policies employed. For starters this school has a so called “gun free zone”. It does have a parking lot officer who may be armed assigned to patrol the multi acre site in a golf cart , but bans guns from the rest of its internal security .

Because of these Ding Bat liberal policies it brings up another question. Just how safe and secure are those kids ? There’s a lot of krap that happens; Assaults, fights, thefts, books and items stolen, drug use teachers accosted, kids intimidated....

Examine records reporting how student vs student, and student vs teacher altercations, vandalism, and thefts, which are bound to occur are being dealt with.

Because in an educational unit this size it’s pretty clear their security system failed . In a secure system Cruz would have never gotten inside.


42 posted on 02/20/2018 6:27:13 AM PST by mosesdapoet (Mosesdapoet aka L.J.Keslin another gem posted in the wilderness)
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To: Kaslin

Liberals yelling for more gun laws/control?


43 posted on 02/20/2018 6:43:29 AM PST by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: SkyDancer

Why the question? You know they are.


44 posted on 02/20/2018 6:47:18 AM PST by Kaslin (Politicians are not born; they are excreted -Civilibus nati sunt; sunt excernitur. (Cicero)
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To: Kaslin

Because we know that’s what they’ll do.


45 posted on 02/20/2018 6:49:00 AM PST by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: SkyDancer

R’s are too, just heard a south Florida Congresscritter on FBN talk about all the things that need done, including NICS for all transfers. Did not say one word about mental health.

There are some R’s who would not mind if guns were confiscated, they would take longer.

Things are going to get interesting.


46 posted on 02/20/2018 6:53:02 AM PST by phormer phrog phlyer
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To: Biggirl
Put retired police and military to work as school security guards who are armed.

Someone brought this up the other day. Not all police are proficient in the use of firearms, nor are a significant portion of military - yeah, many have to qualify, but then that's it. No more proficiency training. I'd rather it be concealed carry folks, who've passed a better background check than just a 4473 check, and those who can demonstrate the proper proficiency.

47 posted on 02/20/2018 6:53:16 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (There are two kinds of people: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.)
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To: DugwayDuke

Kinda a Catch 22.


48 posted on 02/20/2018 6:58:36 AM PST by Oldexpat
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To: Kaslin

After every school shooting, there is an immediate flare up of epic stupidity, followed by no effective measure being taken, followed by waiting for the next one, which is inevitable.

I’m so sick of it.

I literally do not care anymore. Doesn’t move my Giveashit Meter at all.

Don’t want to defend them? Then don’t cry when you lose them.

Simple as that.


49 posted on 02/20/2018 7:01:54 AM PST by chris37 (Take a week off racist >;-)
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To: IYAS9YAS

“I’d rather it be concealed carry folks, who’ve passed a better background check than just a 4473 check, and those who can demonstrate the proper proficiency.”

Problem with that is it becomes a race to see how many the shooter can take down before the concealed carry finds the shooter. Teachers carrying is a good step, but is a stop gap measure.

The real solution is lock down while class is in session.


50 posted on 02/20/2018 7:02:29 AM PST by moehoward
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To: Kaslin

Here’s a fact that is overlooked. This $hit didn’t happen when I was a kid in high school. Best we take a look at when the insanity began. Society has been so messed up by today’s liberals that I’m not surprised at what we are seeing. It’s criminal that liberals will accuse law abiding decent citizens for the issues rather than their own policies that excuse every perp of wrongdoing.


51 posted on 02/20/2018 7:03:36 AM PST by ThomasMore (ISLAM is the Whore of Babylon!)
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To: moehoward
Problem with that is it becomes a race to see how many the shooter can take down before the concealed carry finds the shooter. Teachers carrying is a good step, but is a stop gap measure.

My response was to a call to use retired police/former military. I was simply mentioning that just because someone is former police/military, it doesn't mean they're proficient.

I don't care who is carrying on campus, as long as they've passed the background check and can prove proficiency. If that includes teachers, then so be it. It's the proficiency I'm looking for. Not only must the shooter be stopped, but the person attempting the stop should be proficient enough to not cause additional casualties.

52 posted on 02/20/2018 7:08:10 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (There are two kinds of people: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.)
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To: Biggirl

>> Put retired police and military to work as school security guards who are armed <<

OK, but probably would not be nearly as cost-effective as having a handful of regular staff members at every school who are well-trained concealed carriers — just as they do in Israel.

(And how many school shootings have they had in Israel lately? Apparently none.)


53 posted on 02/20/2018 7:15:18 AM PST by Hawthorn
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To: The Sons of Liberty

>> What precisely was he doing while people were dying? <<

When seconds count, the police are only a few minutes away.


54 posted on 02/20/2018 7:17:52 AM PST by Hawthorn
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To: phormer phrog phlyer

Yep, there’s one R donor that says he won’t donate to R’s until they ban guns? OTOH, if all laws were obeyed, we’d never need prisons; libs believe that writing a law will prevent crime.


55 posted on 02/20/2018 7:20:09 AM PST by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: Kaslin
Yes Bernie, we do “need” armed people at church services, what’s more, we have had many for years........but then, in our faith, we don’t believe that “all humanity is basically good!”

That is why we preach and teach “salvation comes from knowing and choosing to follow Christ Jesus, not your own basic goodness!”

56 posted on 02/20/2018 7:29:25 AM PST by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: IYAS9YAS

“...but the person attempting the stop should be proficient enough to not cause additional casualties.”

Agreed. And that possibility futher bolsters the lock down solution.


57 posted on 02/20/2018 7:42:24 AM PST by moehoward
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To: ichabod1

9 months ago, Cruz commented on a YouTube documentary on the Texas Tower Shooting, writing, “I’m going to do the same.” There are screen shots of this available.

Cruz premeditated this St.V-day massacre for a very long time. This was his true interest in enrolling in ROTC - obtaining free convenient access to marksmanship training.


58 posted on 02/20/2018 8:34:58 AM PST by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies
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To: ThunderSleeps

“By definition criminals break laws.” Yes and Cruz did and was not punished. Surely the Parkland school wanted to discipline Cruz. However, their hands were tied by the district’s asinine policy.

Victims and their families should be outraged at their school’s discipline code and preparing to sue the BC School board and Sheriff’s office for this collaboration. Nikolas Cruz was never busted at school because of the 2013 NAACP collaborative discipline policy:

http://www.ncjfcj.org/sites/default/files/Broward%20Co%20Collaborative%20Agreement%20on%20School%20Discipline%20-%20MOU.pdf

Broward County’s School Discipline ‘Agreement” signed by the Sheriff, State Atty and local judges. Its purpose is to keep minority juvenile delinquents out of prison by NOT enforcing Florida state laws in schools.

These various behaviors will NOT result in suspension or expulsion or notification to the police. Instead they receive warnings, lectures and possible stern scolding!

The infractions include -All student misbehavior and these non-violent infractions:

Disrupting or Interfering with class
Affray - fighting in a public place
Theft if less than $300
Vandalism damages < $1,000
Disorderly conduct
Trespassing, Loitering or Prowling
Criminal Mischief
Gambling
Harrassment or Threats
Alcohol -all related offenses
Possession of Cannabis
Drug Paraphernalia
Obstructing Justice w/out Violence

“Go ahead kids. Smoke pot, booze it up, fight, THREATEN a teacher and tear the bloody place up! The NAACP & Broward County got your back. Since your family has failed to discipline, a sanctuary law-breaking program shields you at your school.”


59 posted on 02/20/2018 8:40:05 AM PST by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies
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To: Biggirl

YESTERDAY-— Gov Jerry Brown signed into a law a ruling that says NO person can use a gun on a school campus to STOP a person shooting a gun on a school campus.

Parents in Calif: If you dive a damn about your kids——MOVE the hell out of Calif.

Your Governor hates your kids. But he loves them illegals swarming across the border !!!


60 posted on 02/20/2018 9:48:59 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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