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The Only Thing We Know for Sure After a Mass Shooting
Townhall.com ^ | February 20, 2018 | Bernard Goldberg

Posted on 02/20/2018 5:24:52 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: Kaslin

Notice how the Left never vents its rage against the lunatic who did the shooting and never wonders how Cruz was visited 39 times by local law enforcement, multiple government social workers, psychologists and educators, at huge taxpayer expense, and yet nothing was accomplished. They find it much easier and emotionally gratifying to blame an inanimate object and their political opponents.


21 posted on 02/20/2018 5:45:55 AM PST by allendale (.)
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To: bgill

bgill wrote: “The next time some wacko drives 90 mph down the wrong way of a street crashing into cars and killing people, lets ignore the crazy and demand stronger traffic laws.”

The typical gun-banner response would be “people need cars, they don’t need a gun”. (I’ve debated those people for many years, I know all their answers)


22 posted on 02/20/2018 5:48:09 AM PST by DugwayDuke ("A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest")
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To: The Sons of Liberty
One thing lost amongst the barrage of rhetoric - apparently there WAS an armed "School Resource Officer" in the school who claims "he didn't encounter the shooter".

I read that he was not on campus at the time. And the football coach who died actually was an unarmed guard who by federal law could not carry a gun at the school. Imagine if he was armed.

23 posted on 02/20/2018 5:49:00 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Kaslin

And I’m sure Mr. Goldberg remembers when many high school students participated in rifle clubs and hunting. Yet these shoot ‘em up rampages were not happening in the schools back during those years. I got all sorts of pathetic remarks about how “they didn’t have Rambo types of guns back then, did they?” but people seem to have a hard time accepting that these incidents simply were not taking place back then as they’ve had in all of these recent years, regardless of what guns were or were not legally available.


24 posted on 02/20/2018 5:51:15 AM PST by OttawaFreeper ("If I had to go to war again, I'd bring lacrosse players" Conn Smythe)
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To: DugwayDuke
people need cars, they don’t need a gun

Sounds like those 17 killed needed one.

25 posted on 02/20/2018 5:53:43 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (The Obama is about to hit the fan.)
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To: Kaslin
There's already the predictable talk about banning AR-15s, the so-called assault rifles. They're not needed to protect families from intruders, the argument goes; hunters don't need them.

There's that word again, need. I've read the 2nd Amendment many times. As I recall, the word "need" does not appear in any way, shape, or form in there.

People want to ban "assault rifles" because they sound scary and dangerous. Couple of problems with that - one, defining just what makes a rifle an "assault" rifle. It is a relatively subjective term. Two, even with all the various tragedies brought to us by the evil and insane, your chances of getting killed by a rifle - any kind of rifle, are somewhat less than your chances of being bludgeoned to death by a hammer from the local big box home improvement store. So statistically speaking and for efficiency's sake we should focus our energy on the bigger threats first - assault hammers.

People want to ban AR-15s any time they are used to commit a crime. Guess what, the AR-15 is the most popular rifle in America. Of course they are going to wind up in criminal's hands. Even if you managed to ban them without starting a civil war, even if you managed to confiscate them from law abiding citizens without starting a civil war (and remember, there's a lot of them seeing as how they are the most popular)... Some other rile would then "move up" to being the most popular and guess what - they would end up being used in crimes.

People want to ban "high capacity" magazines. This is generally absurd. If you take a reasoned, dispassionate look at the timelines of virtually any/all mass shootings you find out the perpetrator had all kinds of time - minutes to tens of minutes - to commit his/her crimes. Magazine swaps take just a couple of seconds. The number of rounds in a magazine has virtually no impact on the outcome of the event.

People want to ban pistol grips. I really don't know why. I think it is because they believe such grips make the weapon somehow significantly more effective? Two thoughts here, sort of at opposite ends of the spectrum. One, at the ranges most of these shots are taken at, a rifle, any rifle, is going to be very effective regardless of any one feature. Two, if we're talking about my self defense firearm that I'm using to defend my family from a home invasion, h**l yeah I want the most effective weapon possible. Why would you want to deny me effective protection? What's "effective enough?" Hey, maybe airbags and seat belts for just 3 out of the 4 seats in my car are "safe enough" too. Or obeying the speed limit for 20 out of the 32 miles of my commute is good enough...

People want to ban bayonet lugs. This is ridiculous. Why is anyone wasting time/energy arguing this? When was the last time a bayonet on a rifle was used to kill someone???

People want to ban ... It doesn't matter because the one universal feature of every ban, every limit is that in order to be effective, criminals must obey the ban/law. This is patently absurd. By definition criminals break laws. Expecting a new law to deter someone already prepared to break a dozen or more other laws... You might as well expect that requiring everyone to floss and use mouthwash would stop crime. Yes, that level of absurdity.

26 posted on 02/20/2018 5:55:24 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (Doing my part to help make America great again!)
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To: Kaslin

27 posted on 02/20/2018 5:57:37 AM PST by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: DugwayDuke
how do we determine that someone is mentally ill until he does something that really proves it?

Anyone who expresses thoughts of suicide.

28 posted on 02/20/2018 6:02:16 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (The Obama is about to hit the fan.)
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To: Kaslin

Sorry Bernie, but if cops are called about someone 39 times and you can’t find anything to arrest them for, you aren’t really trying.


29 posted on 02/20/2018 6:02:22 AM PST by ilovesarah2012 (I)
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To: Biggirl

If prisons can be guarded, why can’t our schools?


30 posted on 02/20/2018 6:03:46 AM PST by ilovesarah2012 (I)
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To: ThunderSleeps

Certain people want to ban guns in order to punish those who have guns because those who own them disagree with the gungrabbers who resent being disagreed with.

Nothing to do with preventing crime, everything to do with POWER.


31 posted on 02/20/2018 6:03:59 AM PST by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam. Buy ammo.")
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To: wastoute

At least in Texas there is a crime of making a terroristic threat.


32 posted on 02/20/2018 6:06:17 AM PST by ichabod1 (People don't want to believe it be what it is but it do.)
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To: wastoute

Blacks killing blacks. No one cares. These were white upper-middle class kids.


33 posted on 02/20/2018 6:07:22 AM PST by ilovesarah2012 (I)
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To: Biggirl

Do what Israel teachers do, arm the teachers. ......................................... Not only the Israelis, the Beslan school siege is the deadliest school massacre by death toll (334 killed). I wonder how the Russians handled their schools after that? Maybe if students wore school uniforms, those who come in without wearing one, would be questioned or stopped at the door. Nothing like approaching an armed guard with a MP5 and a German or Belgian sheppard at his side.


34 posted on 02/20/2018 6:08:13 AM PST by Bringbackthedraft (Damn, the tag line disappeared again? Coursors!)
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To: OttawaFreeper

I don’t know how long ago it was, but this has been happening since at least Charlie Whitman and the Texas Tower, but I read the worst school attack was a bomb that killed twenty something in the 1920s.


35 posted on 02/20/2018 6:10:13 AM PST by ichabod1 (People don't want to believe it be what it is but it do.)
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To: Kaslin

The only thing we know for sure is that it was a gun free zone.
What was that definition of insanity again?


36 posted on 02/20/2018 6:10:16 AM PST by READINABLUESTATE ("If guns cause crime, there must be something wrong with mine." -Ted Nugent)
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To: yldstrk

Agree. Reopen the 800,000 psych beds closed in late 1970’s.
Put the dangerously agitated under observation, treatment. Isolate.
Remove the mentally unhealthy from the healthy school population.
Allow school staff to carry in schools.
Add metal detectors and guards at schools.
If found guilty, hang these perps publicly with only a diaper on, and put their parents in prison a while, too.
If law enforcement failed to act on warnings, criminally prosecute the bosses.
No gun law changes are necessary.


37 posted on 02/20/2018 6:14:43 AM PST by polymuser (Its terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged today. - Chesterton)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

And on the flip side - there also was an unarmed security guard on the campus.

He was one of the 17 dead.


38 posted on 02/20/2018 6:16:45 AM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: dirtboy
... the football coach who died actually was an unarmed guard who by federal law could not carry a gun at the school.

Regardless of the "rules", I think I'd be carrying. Better to face the possible consequences of breaking a rule, than face sure termination by a shooter.

39 posted on 02/20/2018 6:20:15 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Strzok and Page - The very definition of SEDITION and TREASON!)
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To: Kaslin

Bump


40 posted on 02/20/2018 6:22:18 AM PST by foreverfree
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