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ATF special agent talks to Victor students about 2nd Amendment
Canandaigua NY Messenger Post ^ | 03/06/18 | Denise Champagne

Posted on 03/06/2018 4:48:27 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines

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To: a fool in paradise

“”shall not be infringed”, What did our Founding Fathers mean by that?”

in·fringe (mid 16th century)
verb
past tense: infringed; past participle: infringed

1. actively break the terms of (a law, agreement, etc.).
“making an unauthorized copy would infringe copyright”

synonyms: contravene, violate, transgress, break, breach; disobey, defy, flout, fly in the face of; disregard, ignore, neglect; go beyond, overstep, exceed; infract
“the statute infringed constitutionally guaranteed rights”

2. act so as to limit or undermine (something); encroach on.
“his legal rights were being infringed”

synonyms: restrict, limit, curb, check, encroach on; undermine, erode, diminish, weaken, impair, damage, compromise
“the surveillance infringed on his rights”

“Gun laws” do ALL of the above!


41 posted on 03/06/2018 6:49:02 AM PST by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

http://www.guncite.com/gc2ndpur.html

Original Intent and Purpose of the Second Amendment
Introduction
The Second Amendment:

A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.
The original intent and purpose of the Second Amendment was to preserve and guarantee, not grant, the pre-existing right of individuals to keep and bear arms. Although the amendment emphasizes the need for a militia, membership in any militia, let alone a well-regulated one, was not intended to serve as a prerequisite for exercising the right to keep arms.

The Second Amendment preserves and guarantees an individual right for a collective purpose. That does not transform the right into a “collective right.” The militia clause was a declaration of purpose, and preserving the people’s right to keep and bear arms was the method the framers chose to, in-part, ensure the continuation of a well-regulated militia.

There is no contrary evidence from the writings of the Founding Fathers, early American legal commentators, or pre-twentieth century Supreme Court decisions, indicating that the Second Amendment was intended to apply solely to active militia members.

Read more at link, this was only the introduction.

http://www.guncite.com/gc2ndpur.html


42 posted on 03/06/2018 7:03:38 AM PST by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

This cretin needs to be fired immediately for violation of his oath of office.


43 posted on 03/06/2018 7:11:33 AM PST by semaj (U\)
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To: Mouton
I wonder if he discussed what exactly a militia was in those days given the constitution did not envision a standing army.

Or how oppressive was the "civilized" British government? The civilized government we had just waged a bloody war with in order to obtain a life with what we today consider to be basic rights.

How eager would those school kids be to live today under the British rules as they were then, without the right to bear arms? This ATF'er personal views make him sound like a willing PR man for such a government.

44 posted on 03/06/2018 7:31:23 AM PST by frog in a pot (Obama's "Remaking of America" continues apace in the absence of political opposition.)
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To: frog in a pot

The deep state prefers a citizenry that shuts up and doesn’t fight back.


45 posted on 03/06/2018 7:43:01 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines (Their side circles the wagons. Our side revs up the bus.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Typical ATF jackboot mentality.


46 posted on 03/06/2018 8:04:08 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

“There’s nothing more precious in our society than our kids.”

There is a problem here, and the ATF puke is keeping it alive. More cupcakes forthcoming!


47 posted on 03/06/2018 9:19:09 AM PST by SgtHooper (If you remember the 60's, YOU WEREN'T THERE!)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Martineck read (the Second Amendment), noting it was passed in 1791.

...Martineck said, noting he personally believes no one but police and military should have assault weapons.

Someone with such poor reading comprehension should never be in a law enforcement position.

48 posted on 03/06/2018 9:56:05 AM PST by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

I’d have asked him what other platforms of the nazi party he supports.


49 posted on 03/06/2018 10:10:22 AM PST by zeugma (Power without accountability is fertilizer for tyranny.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

I want that disgusting loser fired. Advocating for violating our Constitution is not an appropriate work activity. It’s also entirely normal for the BATFE.


51 posted on 03/06/2018 11:23:54 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: donaldtrump

Mr President,

Fire this hole.

Looks like we need some “continuing education” to vet out dirtbags like this.

Drain The Swamp!


52 posted on 03/06/2018 11:33:46 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (The Obama is about to hit the fan.)
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To: OttawaFreeper

53 posted on 03/06/2018 1:51:53 PM PST by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: rjsimmon

Interesting.

Sort of like when the California gun laws were made stricter because the Black Panthers were marching and sitting on City Hall steps with their guns. (Governor Reagan at the time did that - for “Law and Order”.)

And now that the folks that like the black panthers and such are getting more and more power - they can use similar against us.


54 posted on 03/06/2018 2:01:05 PM PST by 21twelve
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To: rjsimmon

The armed Jews in the ghetto held off the German military for a long time, with only a few cheap guns. Had the law supported owning and bearing arms, those would have survived.


55 posted on 03/06/2018 3:06:57 PM PST by TheNext
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To: DCBryan1
that would really get this POS's panties in a wad

abolish the BATF

56 posted on 03/06/2018 3:17:56 PM PST by Chode (You have all of the resources you are going to have. Abandon your illusions and plan accordingly.)
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To: a fool in paradise

When I hear something like what this uneducated overpaid government employee said I remember the photo of scratches on the metal walls of one of Hitler’s ovens.


57 posted on 03/07/2018 5:40:38 PM PST by TonyM (UPS)
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To: Jimmy Valentine's brother

Constitutional law? Wazzat? Certainly the Constitution isn’t law that he looks first and foremost to uphold


58 posted on 03/07/2018 5:55:15 PM PST by a fool in paradise (Wear an orange pin to mourn the victims of the Tide Pods Challenge.)
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To: 21twelve

The Black Panthers’ own tracts told kids to go kill their parents.
Restricting firearm access from the militant murderous group was not a bad thing.


59 posted on 03/07/2018 5:58:04 PM PST by a fool in paradise (Wear an orange pin to mourn the victims of the Tide Pods Challenge.)
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