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With Supreme Court challenge, tech billionaireĀ could dismantle beach access rights...
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Posted on 03/06/2018 12:45:18 PM PST by BenLurkin

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To: BenLurkin

I drove down to the beach 15 or so years ago when I was in Half Moon Bay for training. It was honestly one of the most beautiful places I’ve ever been. The beach was accessed by a small road that had a $5 toll sign painted on plywood. I noticed it as I was driving south on Rt1 exploring after class. It was the haphazard sign that caused me to turn around and go see what was at the end of the road. You gave the $5 down at the bottom. The beach was about a half mile long and rock bluffs went out into the ocean on both sides of the beach. I was the only person walking on the beach at the time, but I felt like I was being watched. I mean I literally felt eyes on me. That was when I noticed about a dozen sea lions bobbing in the surf about 50 feet out just staring at me. It was really cool experience.


21 posted on 03/06/2018 2:10:18 PM PST by simon says what
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Here is what it looks like there.

Like I said, one of the most beautiful places I've ever been.
22 posted on 03/06/2018 2:22:45 PM PST by simon says what
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To: Don W
to anyone that can get there without trespassing on surrounding properties.

I believe California law requires access be provided THROUGH privately-owned properties. It seems to me Babs Streisand was kvetching about the hoi palloi trapsing through her side yard to get to the beach awhile back.


23 posted on 03/06/2018 2:28:31 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: BenLurkin
California Court Orders Venture Capitalist To Reopen Disputed Beach

Sheriff says- Martins Beach won’t be arrested ... go around gates locked by billionaire...

Silicon Valley billionaire fights to block the public from accessing the beach his $32m mansion [tr]


24 posted on 03/06/2018 3:03:12 PM PST by Theoria (I should never have surrendered. I should have fought until I was the last man alive)
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To: dangus

There is a common law right to passage. I’m not an expert but the Brits are big on it and we got it from them. You cannot hem people in and not allow them to move. In my state you cannot sell a landlocked parcel of land. Even if you did the parcel owner would gain access in court.


25 posted on 03/06/2018 3:33:41 PM PST by FreedomNotSafety
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To: BenLurkin

He purchased the property knowing all of the limitations. He can’t cry now. Besides, it is California - he loses.


26 posted on 03/06/2018 3:37:12 PM PST by Pirate Ragnar
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To: simon says what
It sounds like he might be Neil Young's neighbor.

When I was a kid I went to a nude beach right in that area. People like me were known as 'cottontails'.

27 posted on 03/06/2018 3:42:07 PM PST by bankwalker (Immigration without assimilation is an invasion.)
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To: BenLurkin

If he loses all his property should be condemned and confiscated for public use.


28 posted on 03/06/2018 3:51:16 PM PST by Retvet (Retvet)
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To: FreedomNotSafety

Thanks. That’s very interesting. Game, set, match for Clarence Thomas.


29 posted on 03/06/2018 4:05:43 PM PST by dangus (.)
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Ironically, surfers tend to be very hostile to other people intruding upon their public beach


30 posted on 03/06/2018 4:21:57 PM PST by dsrtsage (For Leftists, World History starts every day at breakfast)
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To: dangus

https://fee.org/articles/common-law-gave-you-real-property-ownership/#0


31 posted on 03/06/2018 5:34:34 PM PST by FreedomNotSafety
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To: MeganC
“The problem is that the state doesn’t hold an easement to the beach and instead is using a simple regulation to effect eminent domain without a hearing or compensation.....”

I've got some small personal experiences with easements in several states (none of which are CA) related to surface rights and mineral rights so here come some opinions based on this. I'm not a lawyer so don't attempt to come at it from that perspective.

circlecity is right that easements along with other roots or concepts of USA civil law often trace down from English Common Law. ECL is a wonderful body of common sense precedent. For example, the principle that a person or company is responsible to damages caused to another traces in part to a ECL legal case where a farmer built a pond on creek thus reducing the water available to a downstream neighbor's farm and thus was required to compensate the neighbor for the loss of water.

Easements though... An easement does not relinquish ownership. Typically, an easement is voluntary. The owner agrees to an easement for a defined time, type and purpose for a mutually agreeable compensation. An examples of this are pipelines whereby the surface owner and mineral rights owner are compensated typically with an initial lump sum payment then yearly payments for as long as the easement remains in effect. Key things to take away is that the owner is normally indemnified against damages cased by the easement holder and the easement holder is responsible for remedying damages caused to the owner's property.

State law gets involved in easements by defining in what types of situations, eminent domain can be used to force a property owner to grant an easement. This is where the lawyers get involved and $$$ rack up. Depending on how the state law is written, sometimes this can be a political process, can be a legal authority delegated to a state or local commission or can be a civil court process from the start. In my limited experiences, I have not encountered a situation where a political or state commission decision on property rights is not court reviewable.

One thing to keep in mind about property rights (and this varies from state to state) is that in some states an owner can loose their property ownership or rights if they do not defend them. For example, in one state I am acquainted with a situation where a neighbor obtained title to a boundary strip of land by building a new fence that encroached a distance into his neighbor's land. After a period of years, the sneaky neighbor was allowed by state law to obtain title to the strip of land. In another case, a neighbor tried to sneak some property away by beating some foot paths through the neighboring property then planned using this beneficial use to attempt to gain title. The property owner got wise to it soon enough to nip this in the bud and in fact won a legal judgment against the sneaky neighbor (a husband and wife lawyer team).

I see the subject of beach access brought up by the OP to be ripe for some serious legal bucks by both sides of the issue since the land owner has the bucks to go head to head against the State. I don't know the answers but see a lot of arguments that can and probably will be made on both sides. Buy stock in pop corn companies.

32 posted on 03/06/2018 6:32:08 PM PST by Hootowl99
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To: BenLurkin

Should have thought about that before he bought the property - fully knowing that no private citizen owns the ocean which extends to the high tide mark - seems that having 84 acres should offer plenty of privacy.


33 posted on 03/07/2018 2:21:00 AM PST by trebb (I stopped picking on the mentally ill hypocrites who pose as conservatives...mostly ;-})
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To: dangus

There is a preexisiting road next to his property per se. That is what people have used for years and what this foreigner is blocking off.

It’s not like it crosses his lawn.


34 posted on 03/07/2018 11:09:43 AM PST by T-Bone Texan
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To: Behind the Blue Wall
"... He probably cannot lock the gate..."

He is actually locking the gate.

35 posted on 03/07/2018 11:10:58 AM PST by T-Bone Texan
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To: T-Bone Texan

. . . legally . . .


36 posted on 03/07/2018 11:11:36 AM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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The road is not ON his property? I can’t imagine he’d even bring the case in such a situation.


37 posted on 03/07/2018 5:33:07 PM PST by dangus (.)
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To: Hootowl99; MeganC
Coincidentally, I came across this lawyerly description of property rights authored by Eugene Volokh. It's too long to post in its entirety and an excerpt would leave out crucial detail. I definitely recommend a read for an overview on constitutional and legal issues regarding a government taking of a property.

https://reason.com/volokh/2018/03/05/supreme

38 posted on 03/08/2018 3:33:36 AM PST by Hootowl99
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