'Believe All Women' at Your Peril

American Thinker.com ^ | March 11, 2018 | David Solway

[Kaslin]

We've heard it all before: "start by believing."  "Believe  survivors."  At a recent panel discussion at the Ottawa City Hall, where my wife, Janice Fiamengo, was one of three featured participants, the subject of #MeToo and "Believe All Women" came up during the Q&A.  (See 1:35:34 to 1:38:27 of the embedded YouTube video below.)  An audience member claimed that it behooved us in most cases to give credence to women bringing forth their stories of sexual abuse.  The young woman was skeptical of the court process as a way of resolving issues of sexual violence in women's favor and contended that we need "non-criminal" forms of restorative justice, some form of "healing or accountability."

#MeToo--Justice or ...Lynch Mob? A Panel Discussion

Janice and her co-panelists, authors Paul Nathanson and David Shackleton, quickly put paid to that notion.  Non-legal judgments via social media and public shaming could be as onerous and punitive as legal sentencing, turning men who had not been proven guilty into social lepers and bankrupts.  The legal system may be flawed, but, as Shackleton remarked, it is the best we have and is theoretically capable of improvement.

In fact, an argument against #MeToo and the concomitant pursuit of non-legal incrimination is often put forward by the subtler variety of feminists, such as Josephine Mathias in the National Post and Bari Weiss in the , but for a completely different reason.  They maintain that false allegations in the public sphere, such as the Duke Lacrosse and Rolling Stone moments, may discredit the "Believe All Women" movement; in the words of Weiss, such fictions "will tear down all accusers as false prophets."  It is not the harm to innocent men that concerns Weiss, but the damage to female credibility.  The movement must be maintained.

[Dilbert San Diego]

I think the rule is, believe all women, unless they accuse Bill Clinton or some other liberal/Democrat icon. Then the women are called nuts and sluts and demonized.

sarcasm

[papertyger]

Trust but verify....

[heights]

Reasons not to trust Women. In 1859 the year after the Virgin supposedly appeared to Bernadette Soubirous Lourdes France, Twelve Hundred other young women in France also claimed a visitation by the Virgin Mary. Ninety-nine out of a hundred claims of the Stigmata are made by Women.

[SamAdams76]

More reasons not to trust women. My wife told me her mother was coming to visit for just a "day or two."

That was a month ago.

[Mrs. Don-o]

That is of much interest to me. I had heard ---and I think it reasonable to believe --- that reports of Marian visitations almost always bring on multiple apparently spurious claims. It seems to me that a certain amount of fasting and sleep deprivation could bring on pious hallucinations, plus of course there could easily be outright attention-getting fakery. But I'd never seen that specific number. Can you cite a source? (I'm not particularly skeptical of your claim, I'd just like to track down a source.)

However, stigmata are harder to be confused about (can you mistakenly imagine you have 5 non-healing, bleeding wounds?) and harder to hoax. I do know there are adolescents who will self-wound for attention, but it's difficult to self-inflict wounds over and over --- repetition being necessary to create the impression of authentic non-healing puncture or laceration trauma---and not be caught.

So I am inclined to wonder more about that second claim, and I wonder if you could share a source.

This request is sparked by a sincere desire to understand this phenomenon.

[grania]

I remember innocent until proven guilty. I remember a statute of limitations of seven years for everything except murder. It was a better world back then.

I'm a gal, and do not at all like these women screaming "abuse" after all these years. Some are real, for sure. But they should've been reported in a timely matter. Some others were women going along to get ahead, to the detriment of decent women doing so. Some are revenge for being rejected.

The sad thing is that this is drowning out the real victims, the most vulnerable, who are often targeted because they won't speak out. And it's destroying normal flirtatious dialogue between guys and gals, when sometimes guys have been known to say stupid stuff.

Another issue is that we're not talking about sex trafficking, including minor girls forced into near slavery. Those are the victims that need to be heard. But that would support getting tough on illegals entering and staying in the US.

It got way out of hand with the bogus claims against Roy Moore. Heck, even if they weren't bogus, he didn't do anything wrong. Believe women all the time? Not when "me too" mentality takes over gaggles of manipulated maniacs.

JMHO

[Hambone 1934]

Jemma beale lied 15 times she had been raped...morbidly obese and ugly,she was believed every single time...men went to prison over it..Lives were destroyed....No one questioned her truthfulness

[vpintheak]

No. Innocent until proven guilty. Unless it was my child or wife, and I KNOW something is wrong.

[Truthoverpower]

Exactly
Like my stupid vindictive evil ex

[donna]

I agree with you.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Sorry for the lack of proper paragraphing. I sent it off without previewing, and by now you’d think I’d know better!

[I want the USA back]

That’s just giving a free pass to any woman to wreak her vengeance on any man for any reason, or for no reason. The man has no recourse. He is assumed to be guilty, and if they listen to him, it’s to find something in his words to roast him on.

[wardaddy]

Women are more prone to hysteria
Hormones or lack of

Bless their hearts, it’s hard being more controlled by your physiology than men are

[TADSLOS]

LMAO.

[papertyger]

Part of the problem for virtuous women is the ones who aren’t virtuous will be on them like a pack of pirannahs if they don’t tow the “party line.” And as those women seem to have trouble clearly distiguishing “good,” from “what i like,” they will do so with righteous fury.

[equaviator]

Tampa, FL - Millionaire business man Scott Mitchell was going to be charged with criminal domestic violence, until a surveillance video from inside his home showed what really happened to his ex-fiance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DUmqGStNj8

[867V309]

Please send this to larry elder who threw Roy Moore under the bus REPEATEDELY, preferring to support the clintoonian politics of personal destruction. BTW, he also said Pres. Trump was lying about the pornstar.

[alexander_busek]

However, stigmata are harder to be confused about (can you mistakenly imagine you have 5 non-healing, bleeding wounds?) and harder to hoax. I do know there are adolescents who will self-wound for attention, but it's difficult to self-inflict wounds over and over --- repetition being necessary to create the impression of authentic non-healing puncture or laceration trauma---and not be caught.

Yeah, I've wondered about that myself... I mean: How could a woman possibly fake stigmata?! With no visible puncture wounds?! I mean: She would have to have a "secret" source of blood - that maybe a man doesn't have? - from which she could smear blood onto her palms, etc. to create the impression that she was bleeding from them - but without obvious puncture wounds.

Lemme think... Blood... four or five days a month... from a "secret" source... that a man doesn't have...

No: Impossible to fake, right?

Regards,

[ronniesgal]

oh please. My MIL would come to visit when it was “not a good time” for her son to take time off work. Surprise! Every freakin’ time, too.