Warren rejects DNA test idea to prove Native American ancestry: (trunc)

Yahooooo News ^ | March 11, 2018 | Michael WalshReporter ,Yahoo News•

[MosesKnows]

argued that her family’s claim

One can declare they are most anything when they don't have to prove it.

The evidence of this is in white people who declare they are black without proof; a male person who declares he is female without proof; an old man who declares he is a young girl without proof. In some cases the law can force others to accept their declarations without proof.

[The Great RJ]

Warren used her supposed Native American ancestry to get ahead at Harvard under affirmative action. Were her DNA not to show Native American ancestry or be too far removed to qualify as a minority she could be looking a fraud charges. She may have already taken a DNA test surreptitiously and knows he damning result to her political career were her lie to be exposed

[plain talk]

An autosomal DNA test depicting estimated ethnicity won’t necessarily prove whether Warren is part Cherokee or not. If someone had one cherokee marry into their family 4-5 generations back it may or may not show up on the ethnicity results.

What the tests are useful for is to match against distant cousins. You can see which chromosome segments have the matches. If you and your distant cousins have done their family research (which isn’t perfect either) you may be able to come close to proving your ancestry.

Warren should take the tests and see if she matches against any known Cherokee descendants in that area / time period. So yes DNA tests can be used to provide Cherokee ancestry — I just would not count on the so-called ethicity results to confirm anything.

[richardtavor]

It’s a part of me, and nobody is going to take that part of me away — not ever,” Warren said. Even if it was a lie...

[lightman]

I wish someone here who has some good credentials in genetics could explain something to me. A human being has 46 chromosomes. DNA exists on those chromosomes. Yet if you go back even as little as eight generations you have 256 ancestors from whom you could conceivable have gotten one of those chromosomes. Assuming one of those ancestors had DNA indicators for a certain "nationality," how could you be certain that you, who have only 46 chromosomes, might have received a copy of it? It seems to me there must be some serious extrapolating going on, or some other sort of mathematical deviltry, to say that a person is one percent of a certain type.

My background is in mathematics.

With the exponential increase of ancestors (doubling every generation) the only correct interpretation of a single 7th generation ancestor's ethnicity is "less than one percent" since 1/128 is less than 1/100.

I happen to have one 8th generation ancestor (1/256) who is reasonably believed to have been Native American (Wiota). There is no way that I'm going to claim to be Native American when I have a couple dozen of that generation who were Swiss-German.

[TigersEye]

I don't have any credentials in genetics but I think this website takes its info from those who do...

The Human Genome Project Completion: Frequently Asked Questions

The human genome contains approximately 3 billion of these base pairs, which reside in the 23 pairs of chromosomes within the nucleus of all our cells. Each chromosome contains hundreds to thousands of genes, which carry the instructions for making proteins. Each of the estimated 30,000 genes in the human genome makes an average of three proteins.

We get our traits from a lot more than just the 23 pairs of chromosomes.

[Gay State Conservative]

ATTENTION HARVARD LAW SCHOOL:

You were scammed by Princess Liawatha when she claimed during the interview process that she had Indian blood.

[Brilliant]

It sounds like she’s anti-science.

[Mr Ramsbotham]

We get our traits from a lot more than just the 23 pairs of chromosomes.

But the traits are on the chromosomes.

[SaveFerris]

[Were her DNA not to show Native American ancestry or be too far removed to qualify as a minority she could be looking a fraud charges. ]

You read my mind. That’s the other side of the coin if she’s not setting up her critics.

Could be she’s trying to stay out of prison.

Thanks everyone for bumping the thread. Although we see in th keywords that the Respect My Authority Posting Patrol was here.

[Mr Ramsbotham]

Brilliant!

[Gay State Conservative]

ATTENTION HARVARD LAW SCHOOL:

You were scammed by Princess Liawatha when she claimed during the interview process that she had Indian blood.

[867V309]

It seems to me there must be some serious extrapolating going on, or some other sort of mathematical deviltry, to say that a person is one percent of a certain type.

I think you're getting hung up on the number of chromosomes rather than the huge amount of information contained in DNA. DNA characteristic of Indian ancestry would not be contained in a single chromosome, but throughout the genome.

[SaveFerris]

Oops “the keywords”

[TigersEye]

More accurately ‘in the chromosomes’ which contain as many as 30,000 genes which determine those traits. Each gene making an average of 3 proteins which further refine those traits.

[Thibodeaux]

it twas the aunt that told the falsehood

[Iron Munro]

Back in the day a lot of kids didn't have many store-bought toys and had to make their own fun.

Young girls made their own paper dolls from the pictures in the Sears and Montgomery Ward catalogs.

Young boys were just as imaginative and inventive.

There were some things a kid with a couple of old Land O Lakes cartons and a razor blade could do to Mia, the Land O Lakes Indian Maiden.

Especially with her knees.

[Iron Munro]

[SaveFerris]

Awesome!!!

[Prince of Space]

We were told by my husband’s uncle that Grandma was 1/4 Choctaw. I spent countless hours over the last 20 years researching our family history but never found that elusive brave or squaw. Then last year we all took the Ancestry DANA test and surprise, surprise! Not one freaking allele was NA. Oh well, gotta respect science I guess. Surprised that a progressive like Pocahontas won’t do the same.