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Why Democrats Would Lose the Second Civil War, Too
Townhall.com ^ | March 12, 2018 | Kurt Schlichter

Posted on 03/11/2018 9:08:18 PM PDT by Kaslin

It’s obvious that the central tenet of the Democrat Party platform is now hatred and contempt for Normal Americans. Taking their cue from the elites in Europe and Canada who are stripping dissenters of their free speech rights and religious freedoms, the leftist elite is moving to solidify its hold on power here with the eager assistance of tech companies and the moral support of the Fredocons who yearn to return to pseudo-relevance as the ruling class’s slobberingly loyal opposition. In California, the leftist government is practically firing on Fort Sumter. And nationally, these aspiring fascists are especially eager to disarm Normal Americans – doing so would be an object lesson in who’s the boss, as well as solving that frustrating problem of the Normals having the ability to resist.

Probably because I’ve spent time where they actually had a civil war, many people ask me – people whose names you know – whether I think this turmoil will all end in a Second Civil War. They are seriously concerned, and not without cause – the left’s hatred for Normal Americans and its dedication to totally stripping the people who are the backbone of this country of their ability to participate in their own governance is threatening to rip the country apart.

Do I think there will be a civil war? No, but there could be. This is the Age of Black Swans, and anything is possible – we could easily see the country split into red and blue. Civil war is unlikely, but never underestimate Democrat stupidity and hatred. The Schlichter family learned that lesson a century and half ago, the last time the Democrats decided to try to impose their hatred of basic human rights on the rest of the country, when an army of Democrats burned our family hometown

Oh, they paid for it. And they would pay again. Democrats are 0-1 in insurrections, and if they went for another round, they would be 0-2. It’s a matter of terrain, numbers, and morale.

Democrats, who think history began when Obama was elected, don’t understand the dangerous game they are playing when they talk about how they want to impose their brown shirt vision upon red America. The keyboard commandos of the left seek to hand wave away the massive strategic challenge of imposing control by force upon a well-armed, decentralized citizenry occupying the vast majority of the territory, so they babble about drones and tanks as counterinsurgency trump cards. But there are no trump cards in war. There are men, with rifles, standing on patches of dirt, killing the people trying to push them off. That’s the ugly reality of war. And multiply the usual brutality of war by ten when it’s a civil war.

There are two Civil War II scenarios, and the left is poorly positioned to prevail in either one. The first scenario is that the Democrats take power and violate the Constitution in order to use the apparatus of the federal government to suppress and oppress Normal Americans. In that scenario, red Americans are the insurgents. In the second scenario, which we can even now see the stirrings of in California’s campaign to nullify federal immigration law, it is the blue states that are the insurgents.

The Democrats lose both wars. Big time.

Let’s talk terrain and numbers. Remember the famous red v. blue voting map? There is a lot of red, and in the interior the few blue splotches are all cities like Las Vegas or Denver. That is a lot of territory for a counter-insurgent force to control, and this is critical. The red is where the food is grown, the oil pumped, and through which everything is transported. And that red space is filled with millions of American citizens with small arms, a fairly large percentage of whom have military training.

Remember what two untrained idiots did in Boston with a couple of pistols? They shut a city down. Now multiply that by several million, with better weapons and training.

Let’s look at the counter-insurgent forces in the Democrat oppression scenario should they attempt to misuse our law enforcement and military in an unconstitutional manner to take the rights of American citizens. There are a lot of civilian law enforcement officers, but the vast majority of the agencies are local – sheriffs, small town police departments. They will not be reliable allies in supporting unlawful oppression of their friends and neighbors. The major cities’ police departments are run by Democrat appointees, so the commands would be loyal. But the rank-and-file? A small percentage would be ideologically loyal. More would be loyal because that’s their paycheck – they could be swayed or intimidated to support the rebels. Others would be actively sympathetic to the insurgents. This is true of federal law enforcement agencies as well.

And the military? Well, wouldn’t the military just crush any resistance? Not so fast. The military would have the combat power to win any major engagement, but insurgents don’t get into major engagements with forces that have more combat power. They instead leverage their decentralized ability to strike at the counter-insurgents’ weak points to eliminate the government’s firepower advantage. In other words, hit and run, and no stand-up fights.

For example, how do a bunch of hunters in Wisconsin defeat a company of M1A2 Abrams tanks? They ambush the fuel and ammo trucks. Oh, and they wait until the gunner pops the hatch to take a leak and put a .30-06 round in his back from 300 meters. Then they disappear. What do the tanks do then? Go level the nearest town? Great. Now they just moved the needle in favor of the insurgents among the population. Pretty soon, they can’t be outside of their armored vehicles in public. Their forces are spending 90% of their efforts not on actual counter-insurgency operations but on force protection. Sure, they own their forward operating bases, and they own a few hundred meters around them wherever they happen to be standing at the moment, but the rest of the territory is bright red. As my recent novel illustrates, American guerillas with small arms are a deadly threat to the forces of a dictatorship.

But the military is so big it would overwhelm any rebels, right? Well, how big do you think the military is? And, more importantly, how many actual boots on the ground can it deploy? Let’s put it in terms of brigade combat teams, which total about 4,500 troops each. There are about 60 brigades in the Army, active and reserve, here and abroad, and let’s give the Marines another 10 brigades, for about 70 brigades. Sounds impressive. But that’s deceptive.

Let’s put aside a big consideration – the existence of red states that would provide for an insurgent government structure and possibly attract the loyalty of some National Guard and even federal brigades. For example, if President Hillary Clinton put down her chardonnay long enough to sign a ban on privately owned guns, it’s not unreasonable to expect the governor of Texas to reject federal authority – after all, California just taught us that this is totally cool. But in this case, look for several brigades located there to hoist the Lone Star flag.

So, now the blue states are facing unconventional and conventional forces.

Let’s ignore that problem and focus on a different challenge. Even a normal unit has about 10% non-deployable members. Now, if these troops were assigned to combat operations against other Americans, you would have significant additional losses through desertion. Many of the senior leaders would participate – the Obama generation – and there is a certain type of junior officer only too happy to curry favor by sucking up in defiance of their oath (which is to the Constitution, not to some leftist president). You can identify them because they usually have “strategist” in their Twitter bios. But a lot of key, capable officer and NCO leaders, and enlisted troops, would vanish. That is proper. It is a violation of their oath to unconstitutionally oppress fellow Americans; their duty would be to refuse such unlawful orders.

So, you have significantly understrength units going in. Now, how many of the troops in a brigade are actually even front line combat troops? About a third – the rest are support. So a brigade is really about 1500 riflemen tops before you count losses. Cut those in half for sleep, training, and refitting at any one time (which is very generous) and your brigade is really 750 troops on your best day with everyone showing up. Realistically, it’s 300.

That holds one mid-sized town. And there are hundreds of mid-sized towns. Plus there are millions of Normal Americans who would fight back. Nothing would move without their permission – a few guys shooting up big rigs along the interstate would shut down the entire trucking industry. Bottom line: there simply are not enough military forces to clear and hold red America.

What about drones and bombers? Both are useful. But the minute a bombing strike kills some red civilians the families of counter-insurgent drone operators and pilots will be knocking at the base gates to be let inside. Now you’ll need many of those brigades to protect the civilians you now need to protect from retribution.

Civil wars are harsh. That’s why you avoid them.

How about the blue insurgency scenario? That goes even worse for the Democrats. You have the federal government apparatus in the hands of red America, and the insurgents are the opposite of decentralized and armed. They are conveniently centered in gun-unfriendly blue cities. In other words, the blue civilian population is much less of a threat.

A red counter-insurgency avoids the problem of a decentralized insurgency and insecure logistical lines. In the case of California, whose secessionist antics are approaching the point where President Trump could legitimately employ his power to crush insurrections, the tactical problem is relatively simple. For example, San Francisco is a hotbed of treason, but the populace is largely unarmed and is trapped in a confined area. You put a brigade on securing the Golden Gate and Bay Bridges, then put a brigade on the San Francisco Peninsula to cut off the I-280 and US-101 corridors. Next you go to the Crystal Springs Dam and cut off the water. Then you watch and wait as the tech hipsters run out of artisanal sushi rice and kombucha.

After about a week, they surrender. After all, you can’t eat and drink smugness. LA is just bigger in scope – more corridors to cut off, but in the end the population concentrations in large liberal urban areas that are their strength also make them extremely vulnerable to logistical pressure.

Then there’s another factor, an intangible but a crucial one. It’s commitment. The Democrat threat to peace is based on its policies designed to deprive Normal Americans of their right to speak freely, to worship freely, and to defend themselves and their rights with firearms. Make no mistake – millions of Normal Americans are willing to risk death to defend those rights. In fact, many swore to do so when they entered our military and law enforcement. But who is the leftist big talker willing to die to impose the fascist dream of censorship, religious oppression, and disarmament on Normal American citizens? Is the screeching SJW at Yale going to suit up in Kevlar? Is the Vox columnist going to grab a M4? Is the Hollywood poser going to switch her gyno-beanie for a helmet?

No. Hell, we just heard our liberal opponents explaining why a cop shouldn’t be expected to go fight a scumbag murdering kids because it’s scary. America might split apart, but it’s highly unlikely Team Kale n’ Vinyl would fight should their big talk finally push Normal America too far.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: calltgeavengers; civilwar; cw2; cwii; cwiiping; democrats
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To: Impala64ssa
In my experience the trick with a 4x4 in the snow is that it accelerates much faster than a 2 wheel drive in the snow.

Unfortunately, it doesn't decelerate any better, which many seem to forget.

101 posted on 03/12/2018 9:28:08 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens")
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To: Forward the Light Brigade
That was due to the commitment of the people of Paris.

There's no such commitment in LA. In SF, maybe, but it's easier than LA geographically.

New York is very vulnerable to cut-off, but there's a large working class population that might be glad to see the snobs and hipsters tossed out.

102 posted on 03/12/2018 9:31:10 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens")
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To: KrisKrinkle
My thoughts, too. It won't like Bull Run. It would be more like El Salvador, with death squads running around eliminating or forcing out local opposition (yeah, Austin, that's you), until there's enough consolidation at a state level to get state's involved directly. In some states (like Texas) that would happen quickly.

In the meantime a powerful break on violence would be the economic collapse as people lose jobs and commerce becomes impossible. This would hit the blue cities harder and more quickly, but it would affect everyone.

103 posted on 03/12/2018 9:35:55 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens")
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To: akalinin
How are any of these militaries going to get here? Swim?

The Europeans have no stomach for fighting, and in any case, any US civil war would probably mean they would have their hands full with Russia.

And the US would still control its nuclear weapons. Even if a rogue leftist US government invited them in, it would be a hard offer to accept, if for no other reason than such invitation would be a good way to cause US strategic forces to remove themselves from the US command structure.

My guess is everyone else would sit it out and wait for the dust to settle.

104 posted on 03/12/2018 9:42:33 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens")
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To: Jim Noble
But this is why California secessionists have such an advantage.

Maybe. But it gets harder and harder for the Communists in charge of California to make that argument when almost all they are concerned about is privileging foreigners in the US against Americans.

All Trump would have to do is declare California to be in a state of insurrection, arrest its politicians and place the state under a military governor. Then commence Operation Wetback II.

Would there be riots? Probably. But why should I care if LA or Oakland burns itself out? Cut-off news and telecommunications, and make it plain that state employees need to fall in line if they wish to get paid. Heck, just offer those who stay on the job an emergency bonus.

105 posted on 03/12/2018 9:53:27 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens")
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To: pierrem15
Schlichter has carved out a nice market niche by catering to CWII fantasies. Someone far up-thread correctly pointed out that patriotic organizational efforts should still be directed towards the ballot box.

Because, that's where the power still lies for now. Guess what? 2016 happened - the ballot box. Now it's time for 2018. Consider just these 4 points alone: Korea reconciliation, economy/taxes, ICE/immigration/wall, FISA/coup.

All four topics will dominate the political discussions leading up to November. Trump needs just one more (mid-term) victory under his belt to really begin acting. Any bets on where the US strategic focus then turns?

Would it be the Spratleys? How about Syria/MENA? May I suggest the greatest strategic threat posed to the USA is California in a state of insurrection? Now, from a born/bred native, I can assure everyone that a significant number of residents feel like they are under some form of occupation. The state will get no support for us - we would welcome a federal occupation.

Take out California, and the entire proglib plan for conquest evaporates. It's the lynch pin, and thereby the obvious target for Trump to attack when he is good & ready.

106 posted on 03/12/2018 10:00:34 AM PDT by semantic
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To: jdsteel

And, dare I say, pretty much all of them, love the US and what it’s supposed to stand for. I’m one of the ones that “is out” and I was in law enforcement. Don’t say that to brag, but I’m not letting the Blue Hats or anyone else come to this country and “help” the Left. I’m thinking I’m one of a few million that feel that way.

Amazing that, other than the wars that made and defined this country in the 1700-1800s, no one has ever tried to step foot on American soil. I’m pretty sure, they know that the response could be such that a Viking would cringe.


107 posted on 03/12/2018 11:45:51 AM PDT by qaz123
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To: Salvavida

No relief and no answer from people that are trained and have been warned about it’s existence. what happens to the Leftist, Hipster or the Hoodrat, who watches their friends head explode into mist. They hear a sound. They see that. Having no idea what happened or where it came from.


108 posted on 03/12/2018 11:48:54 AM PDT by qaz123
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To: redgolum

True. But, I’ll take a group of Vet’s, some folks that do Long Distance shooting matches, some USPSA, or 3Gun practitioners, that are defending US soil, on US soil over anything the Narco’s can throw at them.

The only reason they do what they do, in the US now, is because our laws, politicians, ACLU type groups, keep the leash on law enforcement to do much about it. And, of course, there’s that document called the US Constitution. Arguably, the greatest document ever written, as it outlines our God Given rights, but when it comes to narco’s, especially, it’d sure be nice to be able to catch, try and execute all of them, on the spot. Probably slow down, if not end the drug issue on the border.


109 posted on 03/12/2018 11:55:33 AM PDT by qaz123
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To: Travis McGee

Ping a ling.

5.56mm


110 posted on 03/12/2018 12:13:02 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: DesertRhino
They have never used 4x4 except possibly on a snowy road on the way to starbucks, and they sucked at it.

LMAO.

111 posted on 03/12/2018 12:15:50 PM PDT by TADSLOS (Alex Jones isnÂ’t quite the wing nut now, all things considered.)
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To: semantic; pierrem15; Jim Noble
Take out California, and the entire proglib plan for conquest evaporates. It's the lynch pin, and thereby the obvious target for Trump to attack when he is good & ready.

Thanks, semantic, for your succinct distillation re:California as the lynch pin, or as Clausewitz would say, the Schwerpunkt. I'd also like to add a further clarification to the cogent comments Jim Noble made in several unanswered comments up thread.

I believe it is important to understand that when we refer to California it's necessary to remember that California is just as divided as the rest of the country, i.e. there is the ultra leftist urban California, e.g. San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Diego and Sacramento, and then there is the rest of the state, the northern and eastern rural productive areas.

The "official" state government California is dominated by the votes of the urban liberal/leftists and illegals, while the rest of the state considers themselves "occupied", hence the current "New California" movement to separate/partition from their tyrannical urban masters.

Thus, we need to consider that when "California" talks of secession, that doesn't necessarily mean the whole state. The "New California" areas will likely want to stay with the Union, and will likely join any Federal efforts to subjugate the "rebel" urban areas.

112 posted on 03/12/2018 12:53:34 PM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: tarheelswamprat; semantic; pierrem15; Jim Noble

Take out California, and the entire proglib plan for conquest evaporates. It’s the lynch pin, and thereby the obvious target for Trump to attack when he is good & ready.


Excellent point, and obvious once pointed out.

California is the key.


113 posted on 03/12/2018 1:14:26 PM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: semantic
May I suggest the greatest strategic threat posed to the USA is California in a state of insurrection?

Yes.

Finally.

+10.

The California rebellion is the most important crisis the US has faced since 1933, maybe since 1860.

Nullification and interposition, both derived from Amendments IX and X, arising from the grave.

I graduated from high school in 1968, so I actually learned stuff about America and her history. None of my kids have ever heard of John C. Calhoun, nullification, interposition, the Kentucky and Virginia resolves, or the Corbin Amendment.

Nothing of value is buried forever, and no cause is ever truly lost.

No President could ever let California go. Should that mean war, then war is what we shall have.

NY, NJ, Illinois, and Maryland (again!) are going to want in on the party, but will not have the geographic or population advantages that California has. It will be a once in a century opportunity for the PRC which they will be unlikely to pass up.

114 posted on 03/12/2018 1:25:12 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Single payer is coming. Which kind do you like?)
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To: pierrem15

My first 4WD was a 1984 Subaru, and the owner’s manual said, succinctly, “You will be very impressed with the traction of 4WD, but please remember that all cars have always had 4 wheel brakes”.


115 posted on 03/12/2018 1:27:25 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Single payer is coming. Which kind do you like?)
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To: All

Corwin Amendment. Sorry.


116 posted on 03/12/2018 1:28:43 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Single payer is coming. Which kind do you like?)
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To: qaz123

Amen, brother!!!


117 posted on 03/12/2018 1:58:31 PM PDT by jdsteel (Americans are Dreamers too!!!)
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To: tarheelswamprat; Jim Noble
If Trump were smart - which he is - he would advance the notion of bifurcating the state into two parts. Instantly, Congress would get two more conservative Senate seats. Furthermore, the Union would get another conservative governor.

Tactically, the best way for such a scenario to play out is similar to how W Virginia was created. That is, declare the entire state in state of insurrection. Occupy the capital, major cities, ports and highway checkpoints.

Allow the conservative counties to secede and form 'New' California, which would then be admitted to the Union. Continue the occupation of the counties in rebellion through out a reconstruction period.

Suspend representation until voter rolls are confirmed, and the illegals quarantined from further participation. Only allow re-admission of 'Old' California until a number of conditions are met.

Result: California and the republic as a whole are saved. Trump goes up on Rushmore with the other titans. Proglibs are routed from institutions, and history is (once again) properly taught.

118 posted on 03/12/2018 2:25:37 PM PDT by semantic
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To: 100American
Dude, I think that's a forgery.

"Political Zionism" wasn't a thing in the 1870s.

Pike said the Second World War would be between the Fascists and the Political Zionists.

Fascism wasn't a thing in the 1870s, either.

119 posted on 03/12/2018 4:13:47 PM PDT by x
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To: Kaslin
What prevents a civil war or revolution is gridlock. The government can't do too much to antagonize people because the system blocks the government from changing anything that much.

The current political situation encourages a lot of wild talk, but keeps our rulers from changing things as much as they would like.

If there is a Second Civil War it will be because some extremist group (or some group that can easily be portrayed as extremist) seizes power somewhere.

If they are extreme enough to take up arms against the rest of the country, they will probably be too extreme to attract much support, and the rebellion will fizzle out.

Of course, the other possibility is total chaos -- the war of each against all. Armed bands in the streets fighting against each other for survival without overall coordination.

Either way, it's not going to be one half the country fighting the other half over ideology or policy.

PS I heard Kurt on the radio. He needs to cut back his meds (or increase them -- I'm not sure). A little too manic.

120 posted on 03/12/2018 4:47:12 PM PDT by x
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