Posted on 03/11/2018 9:08:18 PM PDT by Kaslin
Unfortunately, it doesn't decelerate any better, which many seem to forget.
There's no such commitment in LA. In SF, maybe, but it's easier than LA geographically.
New York is very vulnerable to cut-off, but there's a large working class population that might be glad to see the snobs and hipsters tossed out.
In the meantime a powerful break on violence would be the economic collapse as people lose jobs and commerce becomes impossible. This would hit the blue cities harder and more quickly, but it would affect everyone.
The Europeans have no stomach for fighting, and in any case, any US civil war would probably mean they would have their hands full with Russia.
And the US would still control its nuclear weapons. Even if a rogue leftist US government invited them in, it would be a hard offer to accept, if for no other reason than such invitation would be a good way to cause US strategic forces to remove themselves from the US command structure.
My guess is everyone else would sit it out and wait for the dust to settle.
Maybe. But it gets harder and harder for the Communists in charge of California to make that argument when almost all they are concerned about is privileging foreigners in the US against Americans.
All Trump would have to do is declare California to be in a state of insurrection, arrest its politicians and place the state under a military governor. Then commence Operation Wetback II.
Would there be riots? Probably. But why should I care if LA or Oakland burns itself out? Cut-off news and telecommunications, and make it plain that state employees need to fall in line if they wish to get paid. Heck, just offer those who stay on the job an emergency bonus.
Because, that's where the power still lies for now. Guess what? 2016 happened - the ballot box. Now it's time for 2018. Consider just these 4 points alone: Korea reconciliation, economy/taxes, ICE/immigration/wall, FISA/coup.
All four topics will dominate the political discussions leading up to November. Trump needs just one more (mid-term) victory under his belt to really begin acting. Any bets on where the US strategic focus then turns?
Would it be the Spratleys? How about Syria/MENA? May I suggest the greatest strategic threat posed to the USA is California in a state of insurrection? Now, from a born/bred native, I can assure everyone that a significant number of residents feel like they are under some form of occupation. The state will get no support for us - we would welcome a federal occupation.
Take out California, and the entire proglib plan for conquest evaporates. It's the lynch pin, and thereby the obvious target for Trump to attack when he is good & ready.
And, dare I say, pretty much all of them, love the US and what it’s supposed to stand for. I’m one of the ones that “is out” and I was in law enforcement. Don’t say that to brag, but I’m not letting the Blue Hats or anyone else come to this country and “help” the Left. I’m thinking I’m one of a few million that feel that way.
Amazing that, other than the wars that made and defined this country in the 1700-1800s, no one has ever tried to step foot on American soil. I’m pretty sure, they know that the response could be such that a Viking would cringe.
No relief and no answer from people that are trained and have been warned about it’s existence. what happens to the Leftist, Hipster or the Hoodrat, who watches their friends head explode into mist. They hear a sound. They see that. Having no idea what happened or where it came from.
True. But, I’ll take a group of Vet’s, some folks that do Long Distance shooting matches, some USPSA, or 3Gun practitioners, that are defending US soil, on US soil over anything the Narco’s can throw at them.
The only reason they do what they do, in the US now, is because our laws, politicians, ACLU type groups, keep the leash on law enforcement to do much about it. And, of course, there’s that document called the US Constitution. Arguably, the greatest document ever written, as it outlines our God Given rights, but when it comes to narco’s, especially, it’d sure be nice to be able to catch, try and execute all of them, on the spot. Probably slow down, if not end the drug issue on the border.
Ping a ling.
5.56mm
LMAO.
Thanks, semantic, for your succinct distillation re:California as the lynch pin, or as Clausewitz would say, the Schwerpunkt. I'd also like to add a further clarification to the cogent comments Jim Noble made in several unanswered comments up thread.
I believe it is important to understand that when we refer to California it's necessary to remember that California is just as divided as the rest of the country, i.e. there is the ultra leftist urban California, e.g. San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Diego and Sacramento, and then there is the rest of the state, the northern and eastern rural productive areas.
The "official" state government California is dominated by the votes of the urban liberal/leftists and illegals, while the rest of the state considers themselves "occupied", hence the current "New California" movement to separate/partition from their tyrannical urban masters.
Thus, we need to consider that when "California" talks of secession, that doesn't necessarily mean the whole state. The "New California" areas will likely want to stay with the Union, and will likely join any Federal efforts to subjugate the "rebel" urban areas.
Take out California, and the entire proglib plan for conquest evaporates. It’s the lynch pin, and thereby the obvious target for Trump to attack when he is good & ready.
California is the key.
Yes.
Finally.
+10.
The California rebellion is the most important crisis the US has faced since 1933, maybe since 1860.
Nullification and interposition, both derived from Amendments IX and X, arising from the grave.
I graduated from high school in 1968, so I actually learned stuff about America and her history. None of my kids have ever heard of John C. Calhoun, nullification, interposition, the Kentucky and Virginia resolves, or the Corbin Amendment.
Nothing of value is buried forever, and no cause is ever truly lost.
No President could ever let California go. Should that mean war, then war is what we shall have.
NY, NJ, Illinois, and Maryland (again!) are going to want in on the party, but will not have the geographic or population advantages that California has. It will be a once in a century opportunity for the PRC which they will be unlikely to pass up.
My first 4WD was a 1984 Subaru, and the owner’s manual said, succinctly, “You will be very impressed with the traction of 4WD, but please remember that all cars have always had 4 wheel brakes”.
Corwin Amendment. Sorry.
Amen, brother!!!
Tactically, the best way for such a scenario to play out is similar to how W Virginia was created. That is, declare the entire state in state of insurrection. Occupy the capital, major cities, ports and highway checkpoints.
Allow the conservative counties to secede and form 'New' California, which would then be admitted to the Union. Continue the occupation of the counties in rebellion through out a reconstruction period.
Suspend representation until voter rolls are confirmed, and the illegals quarantined from further participation. Only allow re-admission of 'Old' California until a number of conditions are met.
Result: California and the republic as a whole are saved. Trump goes up on Rushmore with the other titans. Proglibs are routed from institutions, and history is (once again) properly taught.
"Political Zionism" wasn't a thing in the 1870s.
Pike said the Second World War would be between the Fascists and the Political Zionists.
Fascism wasn't a thing in the 1870s, either.
The current political situation encourages a lot of wild talk, but keeps our rulers from changing things as much as they would like.
If there is a Second Civil War it will be because some extremist group (or some group that can easily be portrayed as extremist) seizes power somewhere.
If they are extreme enough to take up arms against the rest of the country, they will probably be too extreme to attract much support, and the rebellion will fizzle out.
Of course, the other possibility is total chaos -- the war of each against all. Armed bands in the streets fighting against each other for survival without overall coordination.
Either way, it's not going to be one half the country fighting the other half over ideology or policy.
PS I heard Kurt on the radio. He needs to cut back his meds (or increase them -- I'm not sure). A little too manic.
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