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Why Democrats Would Lose the Second Civil War, Too
Townhall.com ^ | March 12, 2018 | Kurt Schlichter

Posted on 03/11/2018 9:08:18 PM PDT by Kaslin

It’s obvious that the central tenet of the Democrat Party platform is now hatred and contempt for Normal Americans. Taking their cue from the elites in Europe and Canada who are stripping dissenters of their free speech rights and religious freedoms, the leftist elite is moving to solidify its hold on power here with the eager assistance of tech companies and the moral support of the Fredocons who yearn to return to pseudo-relevance as the ruling class’s slobberingly loyal opposition. In California, the leftist government is practically firing on Fort Sumter. And nationally, these aspiring fascists are especially eager to disarm Normal Americans – doing so would be an object lesson in who’s the boss, as well as solving that frustrating problem of the Normals having the ability to resist.

Probably because I’ve spent time where they actually had a civil war, many people ask me – people whose names you know – whether I think this turmoil will all end in a Second Civil War. They are seriously concerned, and not without cause – the left’s hatred for Normal Americans and its dedication to totally stripping the people who are the backbone of this country of their ability to participate in their own governance is threatening to rip the country apart.

Do I think there will be a civil war? No, but there could be. This is the Age of Black Swans, and anything is possible – we could easily see the country split into red and blue. Civil war is unlikely, but never underestimate Democrat stupidity and hatred. The Schlichter family learned that lesson a century and half ago, the last time the Democrats decided to try to impose their hatred of basic human rights on the rest of the country, when an army of Democrats burned our family hometown

Oh, they paid for it. And they would pay again. Democrats are 0-1 in insurrections, and if they went for another round, they would be 0-2. It’s a matter of terrain, numbers, and morale.

Democrats, who think history began when Obama was elected, don’t understand the dangerous game they are playing when they talk about how they want to impose their brown shirt vision upon red America. The keyboard commandos of the left seek to hand wave away the massive strategic challenge of imposing control by force upon a well-armed, decentralized citizenry occupying the vast majority of the territory, so they babble about drones and tanks as counterinsurgency trump cards. But there are no trump cards in war. There are men, with rifles, standing on patches of dirt, killing the people trying to push them off. That’s the ugly reality of war. And multiply the usual brutality of war by ten when it’s a civil war.

There are two Civil War II scenarios, and the left is poorly positioned to prevail in either one. The first scenario is that the Democrats take power and violate the Constitution in order to use the apparatus of the federal government to suppress and oppress Normal Americans. In that scenario, red Americans are the insurgents. In the second scenario, which we can even now see the stirrings of in California’s campaign to nullify federal immigration law, it is the blue states that are the insurgents.

The Democrats lose both wars. Big time.

Let’s talk terrain and numbers. Remember the famous red v. blue voting map? There is a lot of red, and in the interior the few blue splotches are all cities like Las Vegas or Denver. That is a lot of territory for a counter-insurgent force to control, and this is critical. The red is where the food is grown, the oil pumped, and through which everything is transported. And that red space is filled with millions of American citizens with small arms, a fairly large percentage of whom have military training.

Remember what two untrained idiots did in Boston with a couple of pistols? They shut a city down. Now multiply that by several million, with better weapons and training.

Let’s look at the counter-insurgent forces in the Democrat oppression scenario should they attempt to misuse our law enforcement and military in an unconstitutional manner to take the rights of American citizens. There are a lot of civilian law enforcement officers, but the vast majority of the agencies are local – sheriffs, small town police departments. They will not be reliable allies in supporting unlawful oppression of their friends and neighbors. The major cities’ police departments are run by Democrat appointees, so the commands would be loyal. But the rank-and-file? A small percentage would be ideologically loyal. More would be loyal because that’s their paycheck – they could be swayed or intimidated to support the rebels. Others would be actively sympathetic to the insurgents. This is true of federal law enforcement agencies as well.

And the military? Well, wouldn’t the military just crush any resistance? Not so fast. The military would have the combat power to win any major engagement, but insurgents don’t get into major engagements with forces that have more combat power. They instead leverage their decentralized ability to strike at the counter-insurgents’ weak points to eliminate the government’s firepower advantage. In other words, hit and run, and no stand-up fights.

For example, how do a bunch of hunters in Wisconsin defeat a company of M1A2 Abrams tanks? They ambush the fuel and ammo trucks. Oh, and they wait until the gunner pops the hatch to take a leak and put a .30-06 round in his back from 300 meters. Then they disappear. What do the tanks do then? Go level the nearest town? Great. Now they just moved the needle in favor of the insurgents among the population. Pretty soon, they can’t be outside of their armored vehicles in public. Their forces are spending 90% of their efforts not on actual counter-insurgency operations but on force protection. Sure, they own their forward operating bases, and they own a few hundred meters around them wherever they happen to be standing at the moment, but the rest of the territory is bright red. As my recent novel illustrates, American guerillas with small arms are a deadly threat to the forces of a dictatorship.

But the military is so big it would overwhelm any rebels, right? Well, how big do you think the military is? And, more importantly, how many actual boots on the ground can it deploy? Let’s put it in terms of brigade combat teams, which total about 4,500 troops each. There are about 60 brigades in the Army, active and reserve, here and abroad, and let’s give the Marines another 10 brigades, for about 70 brigades. Sounds impressive. But that’s deceptive.

Let’s put aside a big consideration – the existence of red states that would provide for an insurgent government structure and possibly attract the loyalty of some National Guard and even federal brigades. For example, if President Hillary Clinton put down her chardonnay long enough to sign a ban on privately owned guns, it’s not unreasonable to expect the governor of Texas to reject federal authority – after all, California just taught us that this is totally cool. But in this case, look for several brigades located there to hoist the Lone Star flag.

So, now the blue states are facing unconventional and conventional forces.

Let’s ignore that problem and focus on a different challenge. Even a normal unit has about 10% non-deployable members. Now, if these troops were assigned to combat operations against other Americans, you would have significant additional losses through desertion. Many of the senior leaders would participate – the Obama generation – and there is a certain type of junior officer only too happy to curry favor by sucking up in defiance of their oath (which is to the Constitution, not to some leftist president). You can identify them because they usually have “strategist” in their Twitter bios. But a lot of key, capable officer and NCO leaders, and enlisted troops, would vanish. That is proper. It is a violation of their oath to unconstitutionally oppress fellow Americans; their duty would be to refuse such unlawful orders.

So, you have significantly understrength units going in. Now, how many of the troops in a brigade are actually even front line combat troops? About a third – the rest are support. So a brigade is really about 1500 riflemen tops before you count losses. Cut those in half for sleep, training, and refitting at any one time (which is very generous) and your brigade is really 750 troops on your best day with everyone showing up. Realistically, it’s 300.

That holds one mid-sized town. And there are hundreds of mid-sized towns. Plus there are millions of Normal Americans who would fight back. Nothing would move without their permission – a few guys shooting up big rigs along the interstate would shut down the entire trucking industry. Bottom line: there simply are not enough military forces to clear and hold red America.

What about drones and bombers? Both are useful. But the minute a bombing strike kills some red civilians the families of counter-insurgent drone operators and pilots will be knocking at the base gates to be let inside. Now you’ll need many of those brigades to protect the civilians you now need to protect from retribution.

Civil wars are harsh. That’s why you avoid them.

How about the blue insurgency scenario? That goes even worse for the Democrats. You have the federal government apparatus in the hands of red America, and the insurgents are the opposite of decentralized and armed. They are conveniently centered in gun-unfriendly blue cities. In other words, the blue civilian population is much less of a threat.

A red counter-insurgency avoids the problem of a decentralized insurgency and insecure logistical lines. In the case of California, whose secessionist antics are approaching the point where President Trump could legitimately employ his power to crush insurrections, the tactical problem is relatively simple. For example, San Francisco is a hotbed of treason, but the populace is largely unarmed and is trapped in a confined area. You put a brigade on securing the Golden Gate and Bay Bridges, then put a brigade on the San Francisco Peninsula to cut off the I-280 and US-101 corridors. Next you go to the Crystal Springs Dam and cut off the water. Then you watch and wait as the tech hipsters run out of artisanal sushi rice and kombucha.

After about a week, they surrender. After all, you can’t eat and drink smugness. LA is just bigger in scope – more corridors to cut off, but in the end the population concentrations in large liberal urban areas that are their strength also make them extremely vulnerable to logistical pressure.

Then there’s another factor, an intangible but a crucial one. It’s commitment. The Democrat threat to peace is based on its policies designed to deprive Normal Americans of their right to speak freely, to worship freely, and to defend themselves and their rights with firearms. Make no mistake – millions of Normal Americans are willing to risk death to defend those rights. In fact, many swore to do so when they entered our military and law enforcement. But who is the leftist big talker willing to die to impose the fascist dream of censorship, religious oppression, and disarmament on Normal American citizens? Is the screeching SJW at Yale going to suit up in Kevlar? Is the Vox columnist going to grab a M4? Is the Hollywood poser going to switch her gyno-beanie for a helmet?

No. Hell, we just heard our liberal opponents explaining why a cop shouldn’t be expected to go fight a scumbag murdering kids because it’s scary. America might split apart, but it’s highly unlikely Team Kale n’ Vinyl would fight should their big talk finally push Normal America too far.



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KEYWORDS: calltgeavengers; civilwar; cw2; cwii; cwiiping; democrats
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41 posted on 03/11/2018 11:35:26 PM PDT by wjcsux (The hyperventilating of the left means we are winning! (Tagline courtesy of Laz.))
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To: Kaslin
Good article except the authors confusion over what is "civil war" and what is "revolution"...

The hitlary (or any other communist) election scenario won't result in the 2nd civil war...It will result in the 2nd revolution, the overthrow of a dictatorial government as specified by the Founding Fathers...

"...But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

42 posted on 03/11/2018 11:35:50 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: Kaslin

Kind of impossible to game these situations out since there are a million different ways they could go.

I can’t remember seeing the last first world civil war though. I see plenty of civil unrest, but it just tends to flare up and then flame out. The left is making the pretty safe calculation that their gradual, steady intrusions into your liberty will never be enough all at once to get people to leave their comfortable lifestyles behind to risk getting killed. People learn to cope, and I know that’s what the left banking on.


43 posted on 03/11/2018 11:42:51 PM PDT by MountainWalker
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To: akalinin

You have forgotten the surveys that have been conducted fairly frequently by the military concerning the reaction of the American military when ordered to fire on the US civilian population. It wouldn’t happen except in isolated incidents. By and large the US military would refuse to take action against the US population. The number of Liberal officers is small in comparison to the number of conservative officers. The US Military would defend the constitution. The Russians and he Chinese have huge armies but don’t have the logistics capability to move them half way around the world and support them. A few divisions, maybe? They would face a resurgent and loyal US Military that would cut them to pieces on our home soil.


44 posted on 03/11/2018 11:56:58 PM PDT by .44 Special (Tiamid Buarsh)
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To: sparklite2

If there is a God gene,isbelief in the One True God reduces the individual to a belief in one’s own godhood. Belief in the ultimate truth of self is as much a religion as any theism.


45 posted on 03/12/2018 12:10:13 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Islam is Satans finest work.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

f there is a God gene, rejecting belief in the One True God reduces the individual to a belief in one’s own godhood. Belief in the ultimate truth of self is as much a religion as any theism.


46 posted on 03/12/2018 12:14:14 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Islam is Satans finest work.)
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To: Kaslin

Great read

Thanks for posting


47 posted on 03/12/2018 1:15:45 AM PDT by redinIllinois (Pro-life, accountant, gun-totin' Grandma's​ - multi issue voterp it)
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To: 5th MEB

Just to speculate as to how the conservatives would win a civil war, let’s remember that:

* 2 snipers cowered the DC metropolitan area for almost a month (Beltway snipers. They killed an FBI agent who lived a few blocks from me, but at a Home Depot parking facility. They forced schools to close, police to be deployed at schools, etc. Random shootings paralyzed many civilians from even going shopping).

* Communist saboteurs took at PG&E power pylons in the Pacific NW/California, tried to wreck railroad tracks all over the country, bombed courthouses, police stations, army buildings and big company offices.

* 9/11 took out the power grids, water grids, microwave communications, roads, etc. Subways are easy to hit with a couple of small bombs.

* In the communist May Day protests of 1971, (they had a manual which was very good), a couple of abandoned junk cars ties up bridges for hours creating massive traffic jams and no-assess major roads into DC.

* Snipers - a few dozen well placed snipers could shut down all vehicular traffic in the DC area. I gave a classroom lecture on this to a bunch of law enforcement agents many decades ago. Showed them the various communist “urban guerrilla” warfare manuals (including Carlos Marighella’s one for Brazil, the MayDay Manual, one from Cuba, and some SDS manuals. They had never seen them before. Used them to explain that there are no “spontaneous” protests or riots of any significant size. There are always people who have planned for this and know how to incite mobs to cover them.

Electrical substations are very exposed to firebombs etc.
The same with some train systems electrical circuits. Subway, the same.

Individual snipers taking out key leftists would also input a paralyzing fear into most “progressives”. Only the hardcore Antifa and Black Extremists would fight with their limited arms. Don’t know which way Hispanic cartel gangs would go but they would be hit early on, if only to keep them pinned down in the inner cities of California, etc.

If the pro-American groups don’t attack the police/law enforcement people, only hinder their travel, then it might neutralize a large potentially effective force against the.

The Left have very few people in law enforcement, esp. those who would fight for them in the name of “progressivism”.

A well organized “civilian force” (i.e. local militia, gun club, etc). would be the basis for local control of the Left. They would know which targets would have to be taken out or captured very early on. Those who saw what they had done would probably opt out of going against those who are armed (better armed) and trained and experienced than them. They would chose to sit on the sidelines.

You don’t have to go into a city or town to control it. You just have to cut them off and make the price very high for anyone who might try to break out.

None of this is secret stuff. It has been in military manuals, communist publications, futuristic sci-fi/political books, etc.

Whether it would come to this in the future, no body knows. But what we have to do now, peacefully, is to organize better and smarter than the Left. If we can defeat them at the ballot box, it would greatly demoralize their followers (leaders on the Left are psychopaths and not subject to normal power projects. They are fanatics to the death).

Again, everything above is just a conglomeration of “facts” and “thoughts” put into a new scenario, one that probably will never happen, but sci-fi writers have written about revolts like this since a movie roughly entitled “Wild in the Streets”, “the Marlon Brandon biker file of the 50’s (”The Wild Ones”?), “The Purge”, “The Siege of Precinct 13”, etc.

Meanwhile, let’s start organizing like never before. The best way to stop tyranny is to out-organize it and crush it at the ballot box. Americans are totally pissed about illegal immigrants and crime, drug-epidemics from Red Chinese Fentanyl, cartel and street gangs, decaying schools, leftist ideological teachers, lenient judges, etc.

We’ve got enough to organize around for two or three revolutions. Let’s do it. Remember, November 2018 is right around the corner.


48 posted on 03/12/2018 1:24:23 AM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

During the period of the Paris Commune, many of the citizens were MUCH more self-sufficient than would prove to be the case today. So far as food goes, the Parisians of the time has a ready supply within the city, the horses which were then everywhere, and so far as fuel, they relied almost entirely on wood, which would have been harvested from the parks and streets overshadowed by the tree cover. Nobody today would be able to find enough animal life within large cities (unless they turned to cannibalism), or have the means to harvest the tree growth, as almost everything is powered by some source of electricity, or petroleum based fuel, and with the sophisticated means of waste removal now inoperative, would choke on their own garbage within a very few days, as the water flow stopped, the toilets overflowed, and the streets became impassible because of the mountains of rubbish. And this is to presume the populace remains quiescent.


49 posted on 03/12/2018 2:10:22 AM PDT by alloysteel (There are old pilots, and there are bold pilots. There are no old, bold pilots.)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

We’ve got enough to organize around for two or three revolutions. Let’s do it. Remember, November 2018 is right around the corner.


Best advice yet.


50 posted on 03/12/2018 2:11:43 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: Kaslin
"Why Democrats Would Lose the Second Civil War, Too"

Because of their pride and lack of honest perception of the world around them.


51 posted on 03/12/2018 2:15:32 AM PDT by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." --Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: marktwain
Do you think Obama or successors would have any compunction on calling for NATO or Chinese “peacekeepers” to pacify U.S. rural areas?

And the introduction of foreign troops would invigorate and enrage the "insurgents" beyond anything the Democrats could have done themselves. You are correct in that it would be bloody, and there would be no prisoners taken.
52 posted on 03/12/2018 2:39:53 AM PDT by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: DesertRhino

Also, our military and LEO’s, less the very top commanders who are political whores, are conservatives. And, in the elite combat units they’re even more so conservative.


53 posted on 03/12/2018 2:44:29 AM PDT by snoringbear (W,E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: Kaslin

Great article to back up what Schlichter is writing about.

http://ncrenegade.com/editorial/matt-bracken-when-the-music-stops-how-americas-cities-may-explode-in-violence/


54 posted on 03/12/2018 2:50:07 AM PDT by qaz123
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To: DesertRhino

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/redneck-revolt-group-who-are-they-left-wing-armed-group-protect-minorities-interview-a8117551.html


55 posted on 03/12/2018 2:55:23 AM PDT by qaz123
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To: marktwain

If my nephews are any indication of the mindset held by your common, combat Soldier or Marine, there won’t be much of military for the Mexican’s to join. Yes, some of the support folks might stay, but the guys toting M4s are headed home. And the one’s that, might show up, will have to be trained equipped and told to fight for a foreign country, that they have no allegiance to and will subsequently be slaughtered, by the very same guys that they are replacing.

Additionally, all those guys that are headed home, will be bringing a lot of stuff with them. So, thinking that they’ll have warehouses full of ammo, food, equipment at their disposal, will be quickly disproven when they head to the ASPs and find out there’s no more ammo, grenades, mortars, TOWs, Javelin’s, Claymores, etc etc.


56 posted on 03/12/2018 3:04:00 AM PDT by qaz123
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To: Kaslin

The New Confederacy will consist of California, Illinois, and Massachusetts, New York, Connecticut, New Jersey and Maryland. And they will try very hard, perhaps with Chinese assistance, to have Hawaii and the naval facilities at Pearl Harbor.

They will not present a cause for war, as did South Carolina in 1861.

They will strangle transoceanic trade with the control of San Diego, San Pedro, Long Beach, San Francisco, Chicago, New York, Boston, and Baltimore. They will disrupt transcontinental railroad traffic. And it is they, not us, who will put stealthy guerrillas into the field raiding farms in the midwest, the Pacific Northwest, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Northern New England. Their Django Unchained revenge squads will be all over until they are wiped out.

All the CW II chatter here presumes an active guerrilla army (us) against a standing army (them). It’s much more likely that the Poz Confederacy will be fielding the guerrillas against an American military which will be immobilized by the political crisis that sets all this off, and they with control of all our important ports and railheads.

It is not going to be pretty.

None of this will happen if the California crisis can be resolved politically. But this is now unlikely, in my opinion.


57 posted on 03/12/2018 3:10:37 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Single payer is coming. Which kind do you like?)
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To: akalinin

The UN? You mean the cowardly, blue hats, that are known for raping, robbing, molesting and pillaging everywhere they go? The only reason they go anywhere is because the US pays for everything. They are beyond useless.

Both the Russian and Chinese armies are nothing more than conscript armies that, while large, are poorly trained and would have to cross oceans to get here.

As for the narco-gangs, yes they are violent. Against unarmed mules and immigrants. Let them come up against a group of guys that have a clue and they aren’t going to hold a line anymore than a squad of hipsters in LA.

The biggest reason we have issues on the border or elsewhere is, because the American military is restrained. Do you or anyone else think that the issues we have on the Southern border would last, if we were shooting people on sight?

I understand that what you write about is a consideration, but let’s not underestimate the abilities of the people of the USA, especially in a scenario like this.


58 posted on 03/12/2018 3:15:29 AM PDT by qaz123
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To: GOPJ

Yeah, you must admit the Dems control states where Obamacare is flopping, he highest unemployment states, the Rust Belt, the MS-13 states, trror states, states going bankrupt.......

I know I forgot a few.......ROTFLOL.


59 posted on 03/12/2018 3:21:58 AM PDT by Liz ((Our side has 8 Trillion bullets;the other side doesn't know which bathroom to use.))
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To: marktwain

Governor Brown is already negotiating with China (allegedly about trade issues only).

California presents a special problem, socially, politically, and militarily. Unlike any other state, with the possible exception of Maryland, they have managed to radicalize a majority to the point that secession is a possibility. And in the case of California, especially if Hawaii were neutralized first, foreign involvement is virtually a given.

I don’t think normal Americans are up to speed about what it will take to retain California against her will, and how soon we have to start to prepare for war.


60 posted on 03/12/2018 3:25:36 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Single payer is coming. Which kind do you like?)
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