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1 posted on 03/27/2018 7:02:16 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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The worst place to learn job skills and character building is college. The best place to learn both is in the home with dedicated parents. Strong homes really are the foundation of a strong country.


2 posted on 03/27/2018 7:05:03 AM PDT by txrefugee
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Best alternative: take 18-year-olds who show some ability to learn. Cheap labor. Train them and give them skills. They don’t need college. Everyone is a winner. Solves the student debt problem. Solves the Marxist indoctrination problem.

Now, if you’re talking neurosurgeon, civil engineer, or other such fields, I support a solid college education. But for people who will be stuck in a cubicle for the rest of their lives? College is not needed. At all.


3 posted on 03/27/2018 7:06:13 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (I'm still somewhat onboard but very disappointed. Not so much "Winning" lately.)
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Most college degrees do not lead to jobs or career paths. So it’s not surprising to hear that they have to be trained. College doesn’t train people for particular jobs.

Yes there are exceptions, such as getting degrees in accounting or nursing or some of the hard sciences. Otherwise, most degrees just don’t translate into the job market.


4 posted on 03/27/2018 7:06:36 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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That is because their college was worthless marxist SJW indoctrination.


5 posted on 03/27/2018 7:08:39 AM PDT by dforest (Never let a Muslim cut your hair.)
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I figure colleges need to teach more ‘social justice’ and diversity BS.


8 posted on 03/27/2018 7:09:13 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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...only half of college graduates end up landing a job that allows them to utilize the skills they learned in their degree program.

I'm not sure that's the colleges' downfall. Students often choose majors in fields that have no direct employment possibilities. I think the most underutilized job training institution is the US Military.

9 posted on 03/27/2018 7:09:25 AM PDT by econjack
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Colleges are where the kids learn the skills they were supposed to learn in high school, like researching and presenting their findings.

High school is where kids learn the skills they were supposed to learn in middle school, like writing a few coherent paragraphs and maybe some algebra.

Middle school is where kids learn what they were supposed to learn in elementary school, like how to read at the 3rd or 4th grade level.

Elementary school is where kids learn what they were supposed to learn at home, like how to sit still, how to wash your hands, and basic politeness.

Home is where they learn how to forage in the kitchen for food, and play video games in a filthy house while mom entertains her new boyfriend in the bedroom.

11 posted on 03/27/2018 7:10:41 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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Ahhh not this crap again


12 posted on 03/27/2018 7:11:03 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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Companies Have to Teach Workers Skills that They Didn’t Learn in HIGH SCHOOL!!


13 posted on 03/27/2018 7:12:19 AM PDT by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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No. Colleges are too busy teaching gender, homo, lezzy, hate America, marxism, White Privilege.


15 posted on 03/27/2018 7:13:25 AM PDT by I want the USA back (*slam is not a religion. It is a political movement to establish a religion.)
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That has always been the case.

A hard lesson to learn not taught in college

“anticipate delay as routine”


17 posted on 03/27/2018 7:14:31 AM PDT by Thibodeaux (Long Live the Republic!)
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Half of the young callers into Dave Ramsey’s show have useless degrees and ridiculous student loan debt.

Parents need to guide their kids in MIDDLE SCHOOL, to line up a High School curricula that will best prepare them for meaningful employment.

IT IS NOT ABOUT YOUR GPA!!!

Take a challenge!


18 posted on 03/27/2018 7:15:46 AM PDT by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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Skills such as....?

Some examples would be nice for reference. My degree wasn’t training in specific skills for a specific job. It was readiness to then learn once I entered my career.


19 posted on 03/27/2018 7:17:50 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (This account has been banned or suspended.)
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Skill number 1: Don’t spend your day texting and updating Facebook. That’s not what you are being paid for.


20 posted on 03/27/2018 7:18:39 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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I see it with engineering students who can’t read prints because all they know is how to use CAD.

The manufacturing floor needs the prints for inspection and setup purposes but the design rules are already setup in the software so the engineers don’t learn how to think for themselves in a lot of cases.

Then when something isn’t manufacturable due to conflicting specs, interference fits, overlapping tolerances, etc (basic GD&T stuff) they try to say it’s a manufacturing issue.

Basic skills are being passed over for “advanced” stuff and it ends up they don’t learn enough to make simple decisions and tradeoffs.


21 posted on 03/27/2018 7:18:56 AM PDT by reed13k
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“WSJ: Companies Have to Teach Workers Skills that They Didn’t Learn in College”
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Like Americanism, human decency,Non-indoctrination, unsocial engineering, 3 Rs!,etc, etc........!


25 posted on 03/27/2018 7:22:27 AM PDT by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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The first sign of a scoundrel is launching a general smear without supporting detail. Exactly what skills do employers expect college graduates to have that they do not in fact have, and is it something that should be taught in college or does the employer have a misguided sense of what is or should be taught in college.

Let's look at electrical engineering and computer science, for instance. Now if you want someone who can run an Excel spreadsheet or manage your office network, or put in a new electrical outlet or some such, you don't need a degreed electrical engineer and no serious university teaches those things. They are trades.

Want a custom logic board for a controller for a proprietary system, or want a new algorithm for digital signal processing and you need at least a BS and probably an MS degree.

If employers are demanding college degrees rather than just smart trainable people, well they have themselves to blame, and the start of the blame is probably their HR manager who is inevitably an idiot and a hack - they all are.

26 posted on 03/27/2018 7:23:01 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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As I have pointed out many, many times on these threads.....

Corporate employers are NAIVE FOOLS who believe that candidates pop out of universities 100% ready to go to work and not requiring a dime or ten minutes investment in ANY training.

That is because they have ABSOLUTELY DRUNK ALL THE KOOL-AID that has been served up to them by the education establishment.

It was always a fallacy. It’s just now becoming more obvious.


33 posted on 03/27/2018 7:38:52 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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Such as being able to read cursive?


34 posted on 03/27/2018 7:44:56 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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It is called on the job training, everybody goes through it.


38 posted on 03/27/2018 8:00:25 AM PDT by wild74
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