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I Tried to Befriend Nikolas Cruz. He Still Killed My Friends.
The New York Times ^ | March 27, 2018 | Isabelle Robinson

Posted on 03/28/2018 10:34:45 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I went to school with a boy who started with nasty lunchroom pranks, and by eighth grade had committed violent attacks upon people and animals. He was removed from school and we never heard about him again. Like Nikolas Cruz he was adopted.

It really makes me wonder about the risks of adopting a child, if the child has been placed because the mother is mentally ill, abusive, drug-using or if she knows the father is mentally ill, violent, or psychopathic, and she is afraid of him and how his child might grow up.

In the old days of wide spread poverty and disease, children were placed for adoption because of misfortune in their families, or because they were born out of wedlock. Now our society is prosperous, early death is rare, and unwed mothers can raise children without stigma. Abortion is common too. So adopted children are coming from circumstances much more out of the norm than they used to.

Some adopted children will turn out really well, but I do think there is a risk people are afraid to discuss.


21 posted on 03/28/2018 10:51:05 AM PDT by heartwood (Someone has to play devil's advocate.)
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To: Robert DeLong
They had to hurry up and counter the story from yesterday that claimed he was bullied for many years. See people tried to be his friend.

So she didn't bully him.

He bullied her, and she let him.

I missed the part where she "tried to be his friend", I guess.

He objectified and humiliated her, and she arranged his book bag. How did that help?

Essentially she did the same thing administration did - ignore, appease, pass him along to someone else.

22 posted on 03/28/2018 10:51:22 AM PDT by ZOOKER (Until further notice the /s is implied...)
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To: bboop

You put quotes around something I didn’t say. That really isn’t fair.


23 posted on 03/28/2018 10:51:46 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Were you one of the many that Bullied him into killing ?


24 posted on 03/28/2018 10:54:12 AM PDT by butlerweave
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I am convinced that Cruz was a fetal alcohol syndrome baby. He, like many others afflicted with this life sentence, was a broken egg from day 1. It is not just alcohol abuse - meth abuse is rampant now and the inner city was afflicted with the wave of crack addicted babies. The statistics are frightening and should cause far more focus on pre-natal care and monitoring when appropriate. On top of the damage done by chemistry to a developing embryo, we also do not understand the impact of using psychotropic drugs on developing children that also appears to have high risks.

Society does not account for the costs of substance abuse during pregnancy in the damage (statistically proven to be very significant) that is done to the baby. This damage manifests itself as educational delays, a lack of empathy,, psychosis, and many other debilitating mental conditions.

There are many factors that contribute to such a tragic outcome, but unfortunately the political debate tends to focus on firearms without realizing the underlying cause of the true weapon - a broken human being who be incapable of fully developing emotionally because their brain is damaged. Our current political construct and a dishonest media prevent us from having a deeper conversation about the underlying causes.


25 posted on 03/28/2018 10:54:48 AM PDT by volunbeer (Find the truth and accept it - anything else is delusional)
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To: heartwood

Agree. see post 25


26 posted on 03/28/2018 10:55:31 AM PDT by volunbeer (Find the truth and accept it - anything else is delusional)
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To: ZOOKER

I knew a less-mean kid who was still mean and he had been adopted.

People like this aren’t one-dimensional. Sometimes they have odd mannerisms that seem to invite others to pile onto them.


27 posted on 03/28/2018 10:55:36 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Sorry, RedNeck. How would you like me to fix that?


28 posted on 03/28/2018 10:56:10 AM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: volunbeer

And in turn why are people escaping into drugs? Could it be because of other hell on earth?

Welcoming God back into lives is the only answer.


29 posted on 03/28/2018 10:57:12 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

On a related story: Cruz should get the Chair.


30 posted on 03/28/2018 10:58:07 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: bboop

By recognizing that the world contains many shades of grey. Some problems may only see partial resolution on earth. It’s still worth trying. The best ways would not need a lot of visits to court. Court is where people go when lesser forces fail.


31 posted on 03/28/2018 10:58:51 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

decades of liberal nonsense is setting our kids up to be uneducated victims.

Schools are unable to deal with the problem element, but its the other kids faults?

Its not coincidence that other than a 1 room school house in Amish country every one of these events has happened at a public school.

Teachers and Administrators cannot enforce or expect any level of discipline... they know who the problem kids are, and are powerless to do anything about them.


32 posted on 03/28/2018 10:59:26 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: dhs12345

He may only get the comfy one, in a mental hospital for the rest of his life.

It’s possible in a case like this one with the only difference being widespread capital punishment, that the shooting rampage would have still happened but ended in a suicide. Cruz was going “Cuckoo” in the open for months and years, and mainstreaming liberals wanted the whole society to be his insane asylum.


33 posted on 03/28/2018 11:03:46 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: dirtboy
"It wasn't the gun laws that failed. Had the FBI, Broward Sheriff's department and school administrators done their job, Cruz would have had a criminal and/or mental health record that would have blocked him from legally purchasing a gun. Instead, the local authorities implemented a plan to help ensure Cruz never faced legal jeopardy - and patted themselves on the back for how well their program was working - until it failed, and they have been in CYA mode ever since, and the left conveniently ignores their culpability in all of this." Very much describes the real criminal (at least one of the main ones) in Broward should be highlighted in these sorts of discussions.
34 posted on 03/28/2018 11:06:04 AM PDT by OttawaFreeper ("If I had to go to war again, I'd bring lacrosse players" Conn Smythe)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
You might be right.

But it is a good response to the Left and the protesters — it is a way to remind them of who did this horrible crime. Apparently the want to forget about Cruz and change the subject.

No doubt, you'd get a deer in the headlights stare if you responded with “Cruz should get the chair.”

35 posted on 03/28/2018 11:07:52 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Sorry about your friends, kid, but obviously we need more gun laws to keep people like Nick from being crazy. /s


36 posted on 03/28/2018 11:10:05 AM PDT by bigbob (Trust Trump. Trust Sessions. The Great Awakening is at hand...MAGA!)
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To: heartwood

I tend to agree. I’ve read quite a few accounts of Russian adoptions. Some have fetal alcohol syndrome, attachment disorder. His mom was older and treated him like baby, which surely did not help...plus had psychiatric issues, so throw the disgusting drugs in. Reminds me of that weirdo in Denver and super weirdo in Newton..two many to list...teacher, admin and dr’s KNEW. Police, FBI knew in this last one. And that creep that shot up the black church...you could tell by looking. I wish Trump would put a limited time group together to look at mental illness and how these disturbed teens can be dealt with. Pretty sure this would be effective on many levels.


37 posted on 03/28/2018 11:12:15 AM PDT by Pigsley (Ca)
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To: Robert DeLong
They had to hurry up and counter the story from yesterday that claimed he was bullied for many years. See people tried to be his friend.

According to the author she wasn't his friend and didn't try to be. She did get assigned to act in a disciplinary role as a proxy for a teacher or counselor by the school. Union teachers are big on getting students to do the hard work of dealing with other students that are having problems.

Looking back she is justifiably upset in being used in that way.

38 posted on 03/28/2018 11:12:40 AM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: volunbeer

He does look like he is fetal alcohol syndrome. I have met a woman who fosters children like that and children who have murdered. Cruz will be tried as an adult but there are children who kill at a much earlier age. She talked about having to lock their doors and lock her door.


39 posted on 03/28/2018 11:13:18 AM PDT by Mercat
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
All emphasis needs to be put on the psychopathic murderer and all that had the tools and warnings to intervene, yet did not.
40 posted on 03/28/2018 11:15:04 AM PDT by Dogbert41 (When the strong man, fully armed, guards his own dwelling, his goods are safe. -Luke 11:21)
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