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First it was Confederate monuments. Now statues offensive to Native Americans are poised to topple.
Los Angeles Times ^ | 04/01/2018 | Jaweed Kaleem

Posted on 04/01/2018 9:05:49 AM PDT by Simon Green

Over the decades, this quiet coastal hamlet has earned a reputation as one of the most liberal places in the nation. Arcata was the first U.S. city to ban the sale of genetically modified foods, the first to elect a majority Green Party city council and one of the first to tacitly allow marijuana farming before pot was legal.

Now it's on the verge of another first.

No other city has taken down a monument to a president for his misdeeds. But Arcata is poised to do just that. The target is an 8½-foot bronze likeness of William McKinley, who was president at the turn of the last century and stands accused of directing the slaughter of Native peoples in the U.S. and abroad.

"Put a rope around its neck and pull it down," Chris Peters shouted at a recent rally held at the statue, which has adorned the central square for more than a century.

Peters, who heads the Arcata-based Seventh Generation Fund for Indigenous People, called McKinley a proponent of "settler colonialism" that "savaged, raped and killed."

A presidential statue would be the most significant casualty in an emerging movement to remove monuments honoring people who helped lead what Native groups describe as a centuries-long war against their very existence.

The push follows the rapid fall of Confederate memorials across the South in a victory for activists who view them as celebrating slavery. In the nearly eight months since white supremacists marched in central Virginia to protest the removal of a Robert E. Lee statue, cities across the country have yanked dozens of Confederate monuments. Black politicians and activists have been among the strongest supporters of the removals.

This time, it's tribal activists taking charge, and it's the West and California in particular leading the way.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: americans; dixie; liberalfascism; purge; statues
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To: rockrr
Show me where I’m bullspitting.

I suspect you'd need a mirror.

441 posted on 04/03/2018 5:07:12 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: rockrr

Only ones that killed 700,000 Africans was other Africans....


442 posted on 04/03/2018 5:07:51 PM PDT by JBW1949 (I'm really PC....PATRIOTICALLY CORRECT!!!!)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Are you drunk NOW?!


443 posted on 04/03/2018 5:08:45 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: DoodleDawg

So ya got nothing

Not at all. I already laid out the economic reality to you.


For the same reason why manufacturers are screaming for tariffs today. To protect their bottom line, ensure they made money, and keep foreign competition from undercutting them. And yes, it helped promote business growth in the U.S.

Britain and France industrialized first. They already had economies of scale. Northern manufacturers could not compete on price or quality. That’s why they were screaming for protective tariffs.


That is by far the dumbest theory I’ve heard from you to date. And that’s saying a lot.

Sorry you are incapable of grasping basic economic reality.


None is necessary. Adams, like you, makes a lot of claims without supporting sources.

Adams has ample support. Try reading his books to see.


How about “Statement Showing the Amount of Revenue Collected Annually”, Executive Document No.33, 36th Congress, 1st Session, 1860” as quoted in “Lifeline of the Confederacy: Blockade Running During the Civil War” by Stephen Wise? Is that source OK?

Sure it shows WHERE the ships landed and WHERE taxes were collected. It does not show WHO owned the goods and thus paid the tariff. As I already explained to you last time, the port does not pay the tariff. The owner of the goods does.


It matters. Tariffs are paid where the goods enter the U.S. They are paid by the importer, and no doubt the price is passed on to the consumer. So back to the original question: if 84% to 87% of all imported goods were destined for Southern consumers then why did 95% of imported goods go to Northern ports instead of to their intended consumers?

I never said that percent of goods was destined for Southern Consumers. They sold the goods to anybody obviously...after paying the tariffs.


You said the South paid 84 to 87 percent of the tariffs. If they paid the tariffs then the goods were obviously intended for them.

No. They exchanged their cash crops for manufactured goods. Those goods were then assessed the tariff rate. You obviously don’t understand even basic economics.


And yet the same source I quoted earlier showed that over 90% of all cotton exports left through Southern ports - $107 million from New Orleans alone. Why weren’t they routed through New York?

New Orleans was a major exporting port. Otherwise though, shipping was routed through New York. Read up on the shipping routes at the time.


444 posted on 04/03/2018 5:12:52 PM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: rockrr

Ooh, so preachy and now you done gone all Carrie Nations on me. The left has turned very prissy and Victorian of late so it stands to reason, I suppose. No, these lips have not touched liquor, lol.


445 posted on 04/03/2018 5:15:07 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: gandalftb

“That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”

Declaration of Independence


446 posted on 04/03/2018 5:17:36 PM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: sargon

The Emancipation Proclamation only freed slaves in areas (states) rebelling against the Federal government. Slaves in slave states loyal to the Federal government remained in their status for example Delaware. (Yes Delaware was a slave state! Slave population in Delaware was something like 120 slaves.) It took the 13th amendment(Ratified 12/06/1865) to abolish slavery everywhere in the US.


447 posted on 04/03/2018 5:17:58 PM PDT by Reily
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To: DoodleDawg

You’re never going to post those international agreements you referenced, are you? Ah well, not surprising.

International agreements? I did not say agreements. It was commonly accepted among European nations what the laws of war were. There were not yet formal international agreements a la the Geneva Conventions.


So you chose to quote from the Section 1 of the Lieber Code. Fine, let’s look at that. Article 11. I’m not seeing the relevance. Disclaim cruelty and bad faith? As a wise man once said, “War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it; and those who brought war into our country deserve all the curses and maledictions a people can pour out.” Civilians suffer in war, and civilians in Civil War tend to suffer worst of all. Did the Union armies deliberately set out to make Southern civilians suffer? In some cases perhaps, as Confederates did the same to Union civilians. But it wasn’t established policy.

This is all a pile of nonsense. There is no question that union policy was to deliberate target civilians as evidenced by how frequently it occurred and by how many different commanders. That was generally not the policy (though yes there were exceptions especially in Missouri) of the Confederate Army. Lee’s orders when entering Pennsylvania for example are very explicit about how civilians must be treated honorably and according to the laws of war and their property must not be stolen or wantonly destroyed.


Article 16. Again, not sure of the relevance. While your opinions will no doubt lead you to the contrary I’m not sure what facts support your claim of this article’s applicability.

Yes its clear this again was completely disregarded over and over again.


Article 23. No doubt you are referring to the tale of the Roswell women, whose story has been so inflated over time that I have no idea what the real circumstances are. But considering the rebel army had a tendency to kidnap free blacks during their campaigns in Maryland and Pennsylvania and return them south to slavery then I believe this is an article that both sides could fairly be accused of ignoring. Partial credit to you.

I did not even mention the Roswell women though yes, that was a particularly egregious example of a war crime by Sherman.


Article 25. Protection of innocent civilians was the rule in the Union army. Were there exceptions? Certainly. To quote the great man once again, “If the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war, and not popularity seeking.” But for the most part civilians were protected. Their property was respected. And their suffering kept to a minimum. Your opinions to the contrary notwithstanding.

This is simply false as anybody who has actually bothered studying the march to the sea or the Bummers or any of the rest of Sherman’s campaign or indeed the burning of the Shenandoah Valley by Sheridan will instantly know.


448 posted on 04/03/2018 5:20:08 PM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: DoodleDawg

Of course you would since they are unsourced and bear little resemblance to the truth.

Of course you would try to BS your way out of what has been reported and sourced numerous times.


Grant was capable of doing the math. He fully realized his side had more men and thus every Confederate taken out of circulation even at the cost of one of his own men was an advantage for his side.

Of course you oh so conveniently ignore the executions carried out by the union side be they by Benjamin Butler or Sherman or in Missouri etc etc. The reality is the calculus of war made it advantageous for the union side to end prisoner exchanges so they chose to end them. The rest is pretext and BS.


449 posted on 04/03/2018 5:27:05 PM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: Bull Snipe

How does one explain the docility of a warrior class of people who overwhelmingly outnumbered the plantation owners? Sure, there were a handful of slave rebellions but nothing resembling a general uprising. Conclusion: “slavery” was nowhere near the brutal reality that has been portrayed and there was general contentment.


450 posted on 04/03/2018 5:29:20 PM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: rockrr

Do you have an original (primary) source for this imaginary quote?

I already provided you a link. Even the national park service (not exactly an unbiased source) admits it.

https://www.nps.gov/ande/learn/historyculture/grant-and-the-prisoner-exchange.htm


451 posted on 04/03/2018 5:30:59 PM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: gandalftb

By asking to join the Union, the member states gave up their sovereignty. Take a look at the Virginia Plan of 1787. That plan was the result of the constitutional convention held by every one of the original 13 member states:

Uhhh no. Patently false. The states were assured repeatedly in the federalist papers that they were not surrendering their sovereignty. They expressly reserved the right to secede when they ratified the Constitution.


VA willingly gave up its sovereignty. VA agreed that any VA act that disagreed with the national legislature could be negated by the national legislature. Obviously, secession would fall into disagreement and not allowed except by the national legislature.

That only pertained to those powers DELEGATED by Virginia to the federal government so long as it chose to remain in. Otherwise they would hardly have passed an express resolution at the time of the ratification of the constitution reserving the right to unilateral secession.


452 posted on 04/03/2018 5:34:01 PM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: Bonemaker

odder, I always thought killing in a just war was moral, murder, not so much.


453 posted on 04/03/2018 5:37:18 PM PDT by morphing libertarian ( Build Kate's Wall)
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To: Bull Snipe

454 posted on 04/03/2018 5:40:51 PM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: DoodleDawg

“Grant was no more of a drunk than Churchill was. “

Or just about anyone else who has been through college, a blue collar/tradesman career, military experience etc.


455 posted on 04/03/2018 5:50:45 PM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: DoodleDawg

“A drunk who beat every rebel general sent against him, even the virtuous ones. What does that say about them? “

He wasn’t like Foster Brooks 24/7 Jack.


456 posted on 04/03/2018 6:00:27 PM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: RegulatorCountry

“So, the north did not go to war to end slavery. Say it. “

The north did not go to war to end slavery.


457 posted on 04/03/2018 6:04:08 PM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: FLT-bird

That’s not a primary source.


458 posted on 04/03/2018 6:12:07 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: rockrr

Just white soldiers.


459 posted on 04/03/2018 6:13:02 PM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: xkaydet65
Already has been. Now Mount Denali.

I don't care what Obama calls it. I call it Mt. McKinley.

460 posted on 04/03/2018 6:16:33 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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