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First it was Confederate monuments. Now statues offensive to Native Americans are poised to topple.
Los Angeles Times ^ | 04/01/2018 | Jaweed Kaleem

Posted on 04/01/2018 9:05:49 AM PDT by Simon Green

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To: DaveA37

Don’t lump all together...

My Ani Yun Wiya ancestors left the reservation in the 1890’s...

my grandmother was a professor of History at a major university...Both my parents were professionals as was I before I retired...


61 posted on 04/01/2018 11:22:30 AM PDT by JBW1949 (I'm really PC....PATRIOTICALLY CORRECT!!!!)
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To: gandalftb

All of that is beside the point. What this statue thing is really about is the political left lashing out at the South because we’re deplorable conservatives who do things like elect Donald Trump. They can’t beat us at the polls but they can stick their finger in our eye by tearing down our statues in their blue enclaves. The historical debate is interesting but misses what the left is really up to here. The left needs to be resisted on all fronts until they’re beaten; then we can have the debate. In the meantime, let’s not naively play into their tantrums.


62 posted on 04/01/2018 11:24:17 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Simon Green

One by one the victim groups line up and demand that another part of our history be turned into $hit and destroyed. They are doing it a little at a time, but the end goal is to destroy our country based on Christian principles and built by White guys.


63 posted on 04/01/2018 11:43:50 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Lying Media: willing and eager allies of the hate-America left.)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

Sigh.

Second line, “can” should be “came.”


64 posted on 04/01/2018 12:08:24 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (Washington is NOT a swamp.....It's a cesspool!)
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To: gandalftb

So you are ok with the removal of confederate statues and memorials? (I would certainly hope not)


65 posted on 04/01/2018 12:21:24 PM PDT by ohioman
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To: gandalftb

I had ancestors on both sides. I bet even my Union ancestors would tell you to GFY!!!

They were all Americans.


66 posted on 04/01/2018 12:22:51 PM PDT by ohioman
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To: Simon Green

An Enlightened, Committed People Who Understand The Principles Of Our Constitution

 

“…experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms (of government), those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny; and it is believed that the most effectual means of preventing this would be, to illuminate…the minds of the people…to give them knowledge of those facts, which history exhibiteth. History, by apprizing them of the past, will enable them to judge of the future…it will qualify them judges of the actions and designs of men; it will enable them to know ambition under every disguise it may assume; and knowing it, to defeat its views..”

As indicated in the quotation above, education was not perceived by Jefferson and the other Founders to be a mere process for teaching basic skills. It was much, much more. Educa­tion included the very process by which the people of America would understand and be able to preserve their liberty and secure their Creator-endowed rights. Understanding the nature and origin of their rights and the means of preserving them, the people would be capable of self government, for they would recognize any threats to liberty and “nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud.” (Adams)


 

Footnote: Our Ageless Constitution, W. David Stedman & La Vaughn G. Lewis, Editors (Asheboro, NC, W. David Stedman Associates, 1987) Part III: ISBN 0-937047-01-5

67 posted on 04/01/2018 12:50:29 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: Simon Green

After a few high profile Confederate statue removals, that has mostly stopped. But once again we see that the lunatic left is never satisfied, there is no finish line to what they do. They take their lessons from the Khmer Rouge experience, everything they believe is evil must go at any cost.


68 posted on 04/01/2018 1:02:12 PM PDT by Midwesterner53
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To: ohioman

Most of the Confederate soldiers didn’t understand the politics they were unwittingly fighting for.

I would honor the sacrifice of those who thought they were defending their homes and families.

But most Confederate leaders knew they were traitors to the Union. I can’t honor the suffereing they caused the troops and civilians on both sides.

Lee decided that loyalty to Virginia was more important than letting everyone in all states live as free people.

The notion that my ..... (group) right or wrong should prevail simply allows the Nazi Germanys to exist.


69 posted on 04/01/2018 1:07:01 PM PDT by gandalftb
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To: Trump20162020
"And then Texas Revolution figures."

Sorry, that's where this silly crap stops.

70 posted on 04/01/2018 1:11:12 PM PDT by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: What would Jack Bauer Do?)
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To: euram
"...they just considered Confederate flags and statues the low hanging fruit, figuring that most northerners damnyankees either wouldn’t care...

There, fixed.

71 posted on 04/01/2018 1:13:32 PM PDT by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: What would Jack Bauer Do?)
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To: ohioman

My Northern ancestors risked their lives to help escaped slaves. One of them, joined the 19th Illinois Volunteer Regiment.

Volunteers, not draftees. Fighting for people they didn’t even know or would ever meet.

Your Union ancestors were willing to risk their lives to end slavery, do you disagree with what they did? Just because you had confederate ancestors also?


72 posted on 04/01/2018 1:13:38 PM PDT by gandalftb
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To: gandalftb

Your view on the civil war is just that.

Slavery was a scapegoat after the war. It was fought on the grounds of tariffs imposed by DC. 75% of DC was funded by the south.


73 posted on 04/01/2018 1:13:54 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west))
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To: gandalftb

Your illustrious leader would liked to have shipped all the slaves back to Africa, but didn’t see that possible...

The industrial north was taxing the hell out of the agricultural south...THAT was the primary basis for the War between the States...Slavery was a secondary issue...

Slaves were also owned in the northern states...


74 posted on 04/01/2018 1:20:26 PM PDT by JBW1949 (I'm really PC....PATRIOTICALLY CORRECT!!!!)
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To: JBW1949

Exactly what taxes were being collected on the South by the industrial North


75 posted on 04/01/2018 1:32:56 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: eyedigress

Southern Senators and Representatives voted for those tariff laws.


76 posted on 04/01/2018 1:33:53 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: Bull Snipe

The premiums for the agriculture products shipped to the north were paid at a pitiful rate and the north was charging exorbitant rates and taxes for the building and industrial products the south needed...


77 posted on 04/01/2018 1:36:33 PM PDT by JBW1949 (I'm really PC....PATRIOTICALLY CORRECT!!!!)
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To: JBW1949

what are “premiums” on agricultural products shipped to the North. What taxes did the Federal Government charge against building and industrial products.


78 posted on 04/01/2018 1:40:47 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: Bull Snipe

Look at the PRIMARY causes of the war..it explains it...


79 posted on 04/01/2018 1:46:06 PM PDT by JBW1949 (I'm really PC....PATRIOTICALLY CORRECT!!!!)
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To: JBW1949

No, I want you to back up your claim that the Federal Government was taxing the South differently than the North.
Your statement, support it if you can.


80 posted on 04/01/2018 1:51:24 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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