The top bar of the chain-link fence blocked Kisela’s line of fire, so he dropped to the ground and shot Hughes four times through the fence.
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A fence separated them but he was scared and had to shoot her anyway????
Like the stupid Mexican klan member should even have a voice. Her opinion is La Raza’s opinion, not an American opinion.
Strange as it is to find myself agreeing with Sotomayor, in this case I do. We are giving police free rein to shoot first. That should be the last possible course of action.
I think Hell may have just frozen over. I find myself in agreement with Justice Sotomayor.
Sotomyer is correct IMO. Had that been my sister or mother, I’d have been upset.
There’s a fence separating the officer and Hughes. Her roommate says, “take it easy”.
If Hughes had spun around and stabbed Chadwick while the officers were trying to talk her down, would we be slamming them for not taking action?
I think we would. And if Chadwick had got stabbed, she would be suing the police for not protecting her.
If somebody has a weapon and they are waving it around when the police show up, they are probably taking their lives in their own hands. But there will be people here who think the police can do no good and are always wrong.
The terrible thing for me is that I agree with Sotomayors dissent. The police need to use better judgement in these matters. But so do the people waving a weapon around.
This is an insane ruling which will inspire and embolden similar acts in the future. Police officers are trained in the principle of “Continuation of Force” which includes:
1. Presence of authority
2. Verbal commands
3. Soft physical force (restraints)
4. Hard physical force (takedowns)
5. Impact & chemicaal weapons
6. Electronic immobilization devices, and finally
7. Lethal or potentially lethal force
Why train police officers to apply escalating applications of force, when they can just jump straigt to the use of lethal force? Did no one think of using Mace or a taser?
Left out of Justice Sonia Sotomayor dissent;They had been there but a few minutes, perhaps just a minute. When Kisela fired, Hughes was holding a large kitchen knife, had taken steps toward another woman standing nearby, and had refused to drop the knife after at least two commands to do so.
I have seldom if ever agreed with Sotomayer.
With the bare evidence we have in this case, the context to me seems as Sotomayer suggests - the officer acted in unnecessary haste. The person he claimed he was acting in defense of did not demonstrate they felt threatened, and other than holding a knife she had been hacking a tree with, the woman who was shot did not seem to be verbally threatening anyone.
I do not believe acting in unnecessary haste qualifies for immunity for a police officers actions.
I am as tough on criminals as the next person, as well as being tough on acknowledging police commands when necessary. None of that dismisses police officers to act first and think later. The first act of police is to quickly and CALMLY assess the context of a situation, not just act first as if there is always a perp to be taken down. Failure to immediately respond to rapid fire police commands does not in and of itself - without additional actions - automatically constitute a threat. What were the additional actions of the woman that constituted a threat? In the evidence we are shown it appeared to be none.
From what was said here, I do not see a justifiable reason to shoot this lady.
If they really wanted to stop her from torturing the tree, they could have tazed her.
From another article:
WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Monday ruled for an Arizona police officer who shot a woman outside her home in Tucson. The court’s decision was unsigned and issued without full briefing and oral argument, an indication that the majority found the case to be easy.
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So the rest of the court including the the liberals found this to be a slam dunk case.
Soto got this one right ...
Crazy lady with knife, with innocent nearby. Shoot the nut.
The situation could have been handled better, but if you want to threaten people then prepare to die.
I agree with Sotomayor, this was rushed, trigger happy cop. He couldn’t see, so he dropped to the ground. Could he then see? And what he saw justified unprovoked, no further warning? Four shots to woman standing there calmly? Wow.
You guys want a good mental exercise to gauge whether or not one of these police shootings is OK? Just ask yourself, what if a private citizen had done the shooting. Would that private citizen be absolved equally? Would that private citizen’s actions be seen as justified by the courts? If the answer is no, then we have a a problem. If anything, cops should be held to a higher standard since they are agents of the government AND they walk around armed to the teeth with an army at their beck and call.
“she did not acknowledge the officers’ presence or drop the knife.”
“Less than a minute had transpired from the moment the officers saw Chadwick to the moment Kisela fired shots.”
In a situation like this a “minute” can be an eternity.
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In this case, I agree with the dissent. Soto is awful but I agree with her. Normally Thomas would side with the individual?
She has the face of a low functioning moron.