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Texas 130 expansion stalls as Texas toll roads go out of style
The Austin American-Statesman ^ | January 26, 2018 | Ben Wear

Posted on 04/10/2018 8:04:47 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

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1 posted on 04/10/2018 8:04:47 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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Plans for SH 130 expansion left in limbo after statewide toll construction freeze (3/9)
2 posted on 04/10/2018 8:07:37 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (The US Constitution ....... Invented by geniuses and God .... Administered by morons ......)
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Pflugerville officially calls on state commission to resume SH 130 widening project (3/27)
3 posted on 04/10/2018 8:08:28 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (The US Constitution ....... Invented by geniuses and God .... Administered by morons ......)
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I live in Texas and I love toll roads. Those who use the roads pay for them. Those who don’t don’t. Adding toll lanes to existing roads is also a good idea. If you wish to travel in a less congested lane you pay a toll. If you do not wish to pay the toll stay in the bumper to bumper traffic


4 posted on 04/10/2018 8:09:32 AM PDT by slumber1 (Islam delenda est)
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OUT OF STYLE? Wait till they start getting a cash inflow from the toll roads! They are like a Cash Cow!

In Oklahoma, several toll roads were built back in the 1950s with the promise that when they were paid for they would revert to free roads. Many of these were paid off way back in the 1970s and are STILL toll roads. The money is just too good to let go.
Also, a standard road will take decades to build with billions in cost overruns. A toll road will be in in just a few years and then the money flows! Oh how it flows!


5 posted on 04/10/2018 8:09:54 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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Rick Perry’s moratorium on widening free highways (which was an integral part of the Trans Texas Corridor debacle) was the only way forward for toll roads.


6 posted on 04/10/2018 8:11:22 AM PDT by MrEdd (Caveat Emptor)
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Texas Toll Roads are Democrat boondoggles.


7 posted on 04/10/2018 8:12:43 AM PDT by Blue House Sue
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The mistake they made was adding tolled lanes to free highways. Anyone with half a brain could see that coming.


8 posted on 04/10/2018 8:26:03 AM PDT by Real Cynic No More
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Anyone who loves toll roads must love more gas taxes too.


9 posted on 04/10/2018 8:39:17 AM PDT by minnesota_bound
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I will drive 100 miles out of my way to not drive on a toll road. Also I hate the word “turnpike” like others cringe when they hear the word “moist”, just seeing that word is enough to make me grind my teeth


10 posted on 04/10/2018 8:53:40 AM PDT by dsrtsage (For Leftists, World History starts every day at breakfast)
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“Those who use the roads pay for them.”

Actually pay several times what it cost for the road. In Houston much of our ‘tolls’ go to the city for slush funds. In Pennsylvania, the Turnpike sends $500M a year to train systems in Phili and Pitt.

So, yea, I could live with tolls too, if they ONLY went to the roads being tolled. But since that is NOT THE CASE for virtually all toll roads (other than Kentucky where they paid them off and converted them to freeways), it’s better to NOT HAVE ANY.


11 posted on 04/10/2018 9:15:32 AM PDT by BobL (I shop at Walmart and eat at McDonald's...I just don't tell anyone)
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In Oklahoma, several toll roads were built back in the 1950s

I laid sod on the Tulsa-Joplin turnpike when I was 17.

12 posted on 04/10/2018 9:30:43 AM PDT by itsahoot (Welcome to the New USA where Islam is a religion of peace and Christianity is a mental disorder.)
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What became known as Proposition 1 in 2014 (sending some oil and gas tax revenue to TxDOT) and Proposition 7 in 2015 (giving TxDOT a slice of state sales taxes) had language saying that the money could not be used for toll projects. TxDOT had planned to finesse that prohibition by spending the tax money to add free lanes to those urban roads, while using borrowed money for the toll portions of the projects.

As usual, the criminals in government are never satisfied with the amount of our money they have to spend, nor does the law have any meaning to them if it gets in their way. What would be called fraud by any investigative agency if it were being done by you or I just gets a pass when the government does it.

13 posted on 04/10/2018 9:34:15 AM PDT by zeugma (Power without accountability is fertilizer for tyranny.)
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Drive under 90mph on 130 and get run over.

14 posted on 04/10/2018 10:20:01 AM PDT by Snickering Hound
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Drive under 90 on 130 and get run over

Last June I drove the entire 130 from Waco to Seguin and a)drove 90 and still got run over and b) its the first time I could see my locator on my dash move as I drove on 130...I could literally watch the arrow move on the 130 map. It took Texas over seven months to find and bill me though.

15 posted on 04/10/2018 3:47:42 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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It wasn’t Texas that billed you. The turnpike authority operating 130 is also notorious for crappy billing practices.


16 posted on 04/10/2018 4:13:00 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (This account has been banned or suspended.)
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Was not Waco but Jarrell that you drove from. North end of 130 starts there. I like 130 and it does need the expansion. Was just in Florida and the toll roads are crappy compared to 130.


17 posted on 04/10/2018 4:22:25 PM PDT by nomorelurker
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The revolt got momentum in Collin County, where toll roads mark three sides of Plano. When they announced tolls for the free expressway on the 4th side to completely box in the bulk of the city with tolls, the people finally managed to get the attention of the politicians and block the tolls on that road.

And guess what - the construction went forward anyway.


18 posted on 04/10/2018 4:25:49 PM PDT by PAR35
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So are they going to toll the entirety of U.S. 75 or just have express lanes, in which case Plano still has effectively one free option? Not that such would be much help, obviously.


19 posted on 04/11/2018 10:33:15 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (The US Constitution ....... Invented by geniuses and God .... Administered by morons ......)
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In Houston, as I understand it, a modest portion of toll revenue from HCTRA goes to work on free roads in Houston. Sadly, I must admit, that could include bike paths, streetscapes and sidewalks nowadays.

In PA, thanks to Act 44, the PA Turnpike is obligated to send PennDOT $450M per year for work on mass transit systems. Act 89, which was probably the one thing that got Governor Corbett tossed out of office, reduces the payment to $50M in 2023. But that’s still $50M to much, IMO.


20 posted on 04/11/2018 10:36:36 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (The US Constitution ....... Invented by geniuses and God .... Administered by morons ......)
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