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War on Science
Townhall.com ^ | April 11, 2018 | John Stossel

Posted on 04/11/2018 8:32:18 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: fella
Science has and is prostituting itself. Scientific results are determined before the research begins by whoever is financing it.

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Yes sir, fella.

Science determinations these days are almost the same as the highly paid high school football star who is coveted by the universities before "the star" produces at the college level.

Little is certain ....... it's just highly paid for.

21 posted on 04/12/2018 4:41:54 AM PDT by a little elbow grease (Zip ties and duct tape are far more productive than pussy hats and #metoo tweets)
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To: Swordmaker

Physics and math were fairly handy in the development of atomic and nuclear weapons...which actually work. So we must be onto something.

As for the “Electric Universe”, there are three more fundamental forces which all work together, in a probably deeper dimensional framework than we’ve yet been able to discern. But they’re there, separate from each other, except in a grand unified sense.

The scientific method works...at least within our limitations.


22 posted on 04/12/2018 7:43:18 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: fella

‘Science has and is prostituting itself.’

reminds me of Richard Kleindinst, AG for Nixon, saying ‘we will be doing a study that will prove the harmful effects of marijuana’...when asked in what sense it was a study if the results were known already, he smiled...


23 posted on 04/12/2018 8:09:31 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: zeugma

‘Time is not the same to God that it is to us, primarily because He exists outside of time and space.’

how do you know this...?


24 posted on 04/12/2018 8:12:04 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: IrishBrigade
‘Time is not the same to God that it is to us, primarily because He exists outside of time and space.’

how do you know this...?

Nobody knows anything for sure regarding God. To me it is a logical supposition regarding His attributes, as described. If He were subject to time or space, many things would not make sense.

25 posted on 04/12/2018 8:35:34 AM PDT by zeugma (Power without accountability is fertilizer for tyranny.)
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To: onedoug
Physics and math were fairly handy in the development of atomic and nuclear weapons...which actually work. So we must be onto something.

Absolutely. But that doesn't mean that the Universe operates on Gravity. Those are the weak forces within microcosmic distances inside atoms. . . and don't work at infinite distances like gravity and electromagnetism.

At this point we don't even have a clue what mass is or what causes gravity. There are some hints both are a function of charge. But how, and why and what kind of charge and at what level is it applied? How is momentum stored as energy? No one knows. It is energy that can be added, transferred, and it is obviously contained in mass, but how does one objectively measure it absent some outside frame?

The scientific method works...at least within our limitations.

I agree the scientific method works. . . but only when it is allowed to work. Look at the politicalization of science though. That is where the problem lies.

I don't mean the Left/Right politics of what's going on in Global Warming but the politics of any hidebound establishment where those at the top, who have written the texts don't want their pet theories they've built their reputations on challenged. . . and physics and cosmology has gotten hidebound when contrary hypotheses are routinely denied publication because they don't agree with the orthodoxy, and the orthodox physics is continually building a house of cards of ad hoc solutions to prop up the old theory, adding more and more complexity to keep it going. While at the same time, the alternative hypotheses, one they refuse to even consider, or allow to be published in their sacrosanct journals, is already providing the answers to what they cannot answer, AND making predictions of what they will find before they look.

They ARE starting to grudgingly allowing some of the findings in from the Electric Universe, but changing the time-honored names to ones they find more palatable, to describe already described phenomena so they can say they are discovering them. . . but they won't make the connections. (pun intended). It's really very funny, in a way.

In others, they desperately cling to their made up theories, despite every piece of physical evidence falsifying their theory, such as the "Dirty Snowball" theory of comets. They desperately cling to that outmoded model despite our having visited/flownby more than 10 comets and even impacted/landed on two and found not an iota of water ice, instead finding them indistinguishable from any other asteroid like body. While, on the other hand, the Electric Universe Cosmologists have made specific predictions of what would happen in these flybys and encounters and every single one has been found to have occurred.

The problem in Cosmology is the gravity theorists cannot take their theories into the lab and test them. Everything is done with models in computers. Chemistry and most of the other hard sciences is nowhere nearly so hidebound, because it's so easy to falsify something in the laboratory. The cosmologists are nose picking and adding ad hoc math, which, while it may solve their model's problem, DOES NOT really comport to reality! To return to your atomic weapons analogy, if it doesn't go BOOM, then the math in the model has to be wrong.

The Electric Universe physicists CAN test their hypotheses in the laboratory because they are SCALABLE, from the microcosm to the macrocosm. . . and the can DUPLICATE what is being seen in the telescope in the Plasma laboratory. i.e., the Bomb goes BOOM! ;^)

26 posted on 04/12/2018 10:00:01 AM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you racist, bigot!)
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To: Swordmaker

“Everything is done with models in computers. “

Models are computer programs, simply put. All programs have bugs (unintended functions). The more complicated the program, the more likely to be filled with complicated bugs.

As an aerospace engineering manager once told me while I was trying to sell him our latest new flight control system, “We don’t intend to de-bug your software at 30,000 feet.”

A program that simulates Creation will definitely have bugs.


27 posted on 04/14/2018 4:18:51 AM PDT by Makana (“We have met the enemy and he is us." - W. Kelly)
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To: Kaslin

Well done, John Stossel!


28 posted on 04/14/2018 12:00:29 PM PDT by \/\/ayne (I regret that I have but one subscription cancellation notice to give to my local newspaper.)
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