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Environmentalists plan logging to restore redwood forests
Santa Cruz Sentinel ^ | April 17, 2018 | Paul Rogers

Posted on 04/22/2018 5:12:00 PM PDT by grundle

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To: PAR35

If you remove the logging roads, firefighting trucks can’t get in.


21 posted on 04/22/2018 6:49:59 PM PDT by Mogger
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To: grundle
Conservatives need to understand that not everyone is the enemy. There are many people not ideologically conservative who genuinely want to do the right thing. We should applaud these people and accept them as allies, not mindlessly oppose and ridicule them.
22 posted on 04/22/2018 6:59:13 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Mogger

Yes, and we knew that 50 years ago. But did the ‘Mental folks know that when they were fighting it decades ago, and were just hypocrites, or were they truly ignorant and have finally figured out reality.

The global warming scam should shed some light on that question.


23 posted on 04/22/2018 7:02:38 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: hinckley buzzard
There are many people not ideologically conservative who genuinely want to do the right thing.

I guess I believe that, but it's just that usually their "solutions" only make the problems worse.

24 posted on 04/22/2018 7:34:55 PM PDT by libertylover (If people come here legally, they're immigrants; if they come here illegally, they're invaders.)
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To: Mariner
Because they have asbestos in their bark they survive the forest fires

Asbestos-like bark that contains tannin and grows to at least one foot in thickness, not asbestos.

No asbestos.

25 posted on 04/22/2018 7:52:14 PM PDT by RedMonqey (" Those who turn their arms in for plowshares will be doing the plowing for those who didnÂ’t.")
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To: Sacajaweau

That’s a tree every 15 feet. Just a bit overcrowded.


26 posted on 04/22/2018 8:37:38 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: bioqubit

“what evidence is there that redwood stands devoid of a diverse collection of other plants does better than a pure collection of redwoods.”

have you ever hiked through a 2,000 year old virgin stand of redwoods? If you had, you’d know that there is essentially nothing of significance in terms of biomass in the forest EXCEPT old growth redwood trees and their fallen needles. Over the centuries, forest fires generally kill out everything but the large redwoods because the redwood bark is nearly fireproof, so ultimately there’s nothing left but the ancient redwoods. The canopy of the giants also absorbs almost all of the sunlight and rain before they make it to the forest floor, depriving everything else of the ingredients to thrive.


27 posted on 04/22/2018 8:43:16 PM PDT by catnipman ( Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Mariner

“How many of you have seen the majestic redwoods of Northern CA?”

Mariner, one of my favorite places on the entire planet is the virgin stand of ancient redwoods in the Roosevelt forest in Humboldt Redwood State Park, which is the largest stand of virgin Redwoods (no logging and no deadfalls removed)left in the world (sadly only about 15 acres of actual virgin forest). I love to leave the trail and hike up Squaw Creek starting from where it intersects the trail at Bull Creek. One of the most wondrous places ever. Been there many times ... usually stay at the Scotia Inn or rent a cottage in Ferndale ...


28 posted on 04/22/2018 8:51:24 PM PDT by catnipman ( Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Mariner

“Their taproots are often 200 feet below the tree. They get their food deep.”

Mariner, the coastal redwoods have very primitive root-balls similar to primitive root-balls of palmettos and palms. These root-balls actually don’t go down much further than about 8-10 feet and don’t spread out more than a few feet from the trunk.

Most of their moisture is obtained from their canopy, and they grow best in steep narrow valleys where they essentially hold each other up, with the outer ones more or less leaning against the sides of the valleys.

Because they are so shallowly rooted, earthquakes are absolutely devastating, knowing them down like bowling pins. It’s a sad sight to behold to go into the Roosevelt Forest after an earthquake.

All of the biomass in a redwood forest resides in the trees themselves and their needle litter on the forest floor. Below the root-balls is nothing but clay, so when ancient redwood forests are clear-cut, you pretty much end up with a lifeless clay landscape. You can see tens of thousands of acres of this devastation from an airplane flying into the Arcata–Eureka Airport from San Francisco International ...


29 posted on 04/22/2018 9:04:06 PM PDT by catnipman ( Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: bioqubit

I read that redwoods do like some other trees in the neighborhood, Alder for example.

I don’t know about a lot of the others, because the redwoods will tower above other species and deprive them of sunlight.

Called dominance.


30 posted on 04/22/2018 9:15:57 PM PDT by KC_for_Freedom
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To: RedMonqey
Redwood is an amazingly unique wood when you look into its unique structure. In the early 1980’s, I was fresh out of college with degrees in chemical engineering and microbiology and working my first job in industrial environmental technologies in the R&D department of a multinational chemical company. They threw big $$$ at me to spend setting up a lab and pilot plant capability and among the toys I acquired was a then $40k research grade Zeiss microscope . Amazing tool.

One occasion, I examined some pine and redwood that had been exposed to some very severe conditions in a cooling tower used for direct contact with a process water. Pine was destroyed and redwood just seemed immune to the damage.

I had among other optics, a nomarski interference contrast setup for the Zeiss. The 3D like and color image at 400-800X magnification was stunning in detail. Pine fibers are sort of like spaghetti noodles where you line them up parallel by hand then try to hand stack a 2nd, 3rd, etc. layer on top of them giving quite a bit of imperfection and randomness. Nature was messy in creating pine. Redwood is the complete opposite of pine. Think of pine being a clown car and redwood being an Aston Martin. Tight, orderly layers of cellulose with these layers separated by a strong sheet of cellulose, all of which infused with tannin. Too bad redwood trees don’t grow like a weed like southern pines.

31 posted on 04/22/2018 9:22:38 PM PDT by Hootowl99
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To: catnipman
"...2,000 year old virgin..."

plus

It's late. I probably won't think this is so hilarious in the morning.

32 posted on 04/22/2018 10:07:28 PM PDT by PLMerite ("They say that we were Cold Warriors. Yes, and a bloody good show, too." - Robert Conquest)
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To: grundle

“Commercial reseeding” in the 1960’s? Hey, that long before “Earth Day” and the growth of the environmental wacko movements.

Some logging companies long ago saw the need for reseeding/reforestation as a smart process to ensure the growth of forests and having available wood to build homes with.

At least this organization is using some common sense to preserving the Redwoods. I guess they will now be sued by the Sierra Club, the Natural Resources Defense Council, and Friends of the Earth./

No good or smart deed goes unpunished by the Marxist Left.


33 posted on 04/22/2018 11:02:56 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: grundle

I can’t wait for the treehuggers to break out the chain-ourselves-to-the-trees chains and drums. Enviros versus owlpeople. Popcorn, definitely.


34 posted on 04/23/2018 2:11:34 AM PDT by blueplum ( "...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017)
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To: eyeamok

I know of one who is rolling over in his grave at this news.

Good thing he went before he heard about it.


35 posted on 04/23/2018 2:46:19 AM PDT by Califreak (Take Me Back To Constantinople)
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To: Hootowl99

Yes redwoods are an amazing tree. My only exposure to this beautiful tree is through the media(I’m a Tennessee boy) I love trees of all types, from Japanese dwarfs to Sequoias. Loved to do carpentry in my younger days. Love the small of sawdust and freshly cut lumber.

Redwoods have some increditable characteristics(as you have said.)

Sad that they do not grow quicker but then the traits they possess likely would not have developed(long life, resistance to fire and rot, insects, etc.)

The people in California are lucky to have these majestic living sentinels of a bygone age(Dinosaurs, I believe) in their backyards.

Would love to walk among these giants in the forests before I take a permanent dirt nap.


36 posted on 04/23/2018 12:53:52 PM PDT by RedMonqey (" Those who turn their arms in for plowshares will be doing the plowing for those who didnÂ’t.")
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To: grundle; All
A few hundred second and third growth Redwood trees out our back door...

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37 posted on 04/23/2018 1:32:11 PM PDT by tubebender
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