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To: BenLurkin

I am a child of the Enlightement.

If I’m asked what side of the divide I’m on liberal vs Marxist, I would say liberal.

I believe in formal equality vs substantiative equality and I champion freedom over central state planning.

The French Revolution had a positive impact on humanity - Marxism on the other hand by and large was the God that failed.


20 posted on 04/27/2018 1:49:34 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
The French Revolution had a positive impact on humanity

I do not want you to be offended, but you are sorely mistaken on the French Revolution. Any serious historian on the subject shows this this was the "first of the worst" disasters to hit the Western "enlightened" World. France, perhaps the most benevolent and free society (after Louis XIV) in Continental Europe was destroyed by the revolution and subsequent Empire setting it back hundreds of years. Here is an excerpt from a recent article written on the subject... https://billrandles.wordpress.com/2018/04/02/casting-off-the-cords-messianic-psalms-pt-8/

The French revolution was the first large-scale atheistic attempt at stripping away the Christian influence from a formerly 'Christian country'. Among other horrors, the king was beheaded, a prostitute was nominated "the goddess of reason" in the Notre Dame cathedral, the working week was artificially reconstructed into a ten day cycle (with only one day of rest), and as much as possible the shackles of Christianity were removed from the French.

The slogan of the revolution, "Liberty, Equality, and Brotherhood" soon drowned in rivers of blood that ran down the French streets as the "liberation movement" descended into a chaotic, blood thirsty power struggle that ended in a godless Dictatorship, bent on world conquest.

Behold, in the howling guillotine spectacles, man liberated from his God. The nightmare scenes of crowds roaring their approval as the rich and noble "get their due", the humiliation of the nobility, and the replacement of the old ruling elite by an even crueller and more ruthless 'revolutionary' elite would be played out over and again , in countless locations in the 19th and 20th centuries.

The Revolutionaries were going to smash the old world and bring in a new, more humane , scientific and enlightened world, after equalizing all outcomes, and banishing "superstitious religion" to the fringes of society, hopefully to fade away into obscurity. This was revolution by atheism and even satanism.

25 posted on 04/27/2018 2:07:29 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: goldstategop

Look, ignoring for one moment that the French Revolution had quite a few horrific elements happen (and BTW, Jefferson supporting and even drafting that sordid Declaration is one of the reasons he’s one of my least favorite founding fathers), you ARE aware that Karl Marx’s creation of Communism owed very much to the French Revolution, or, more specifically, Robespierre’s Reign of Terror, right? Marx literally says this in correspondences with Engels. I’ll even quote them if I must...

“Once we are at the helm, we shall be obliged to reenact the year 1793…”-Marx-Engels Gesamt-Ausgabe, vol. vi pp 503–505, final issue of Neue Rheinische Zeitung, May 18, 1849. Quoted in Thomas G. West, Marx and Lenin, The Claremont Institute

“The vengeance of the people will break forth with such ferocity that not even the year 1793 enables us to envisage it.”-Marx-Engels Gesamt-Ausgabe, vol. vi pp 503–505, final issue of Neue Rheinische Zeitung, May 18, 1849. Quoted in Thomas G. West, Marx and Lenin, The Claremont Institute

If anything, the mere fact that Marx supported the liberalism of the French Revolution is more than enough to trash the French Revolution and try to destroy even the mere memory of it.


36 posted on 04/30/2018 5:49:18 AM PDT by otness_e
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To: goldstategop

“The French Revolution had a positive impact on humanity -”

Wow!

How many dead make for a “positive impact”?

Sorry, no sale.


37 posted on 04/30/2018 6:03:45 AM PDT by narses ( For the Son of man shall come ... and then will he render to every man according to his works.)
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