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California to require solar panels on most new homes
Engadget ^ | 6 May 2018 | Jon Fingas

Posted on 05/07/2018 8:53:14 AM PDT by BeauBo

The state's Energy Commission is expected to approve new energy standards that would require solar panels on the roofs of nearly all new homes, condos and apartment buildings from 2020 onward. There will be exemptions for homes that either can't fit solar panels or would be blocked by taller buildings or trees, but you'll otherwise have to go green if your property is brand new.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: braking; california; construction; housing; solar
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To: DAC21

Good work. Thanks.


61 posted on 05/07/2018 11:09:26 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: BeauBo

Here it is required they be connected to the grid. If the power goes off everyone’s goes off. Even the peeps with solar panels. Daughter has had them on their last 2 houses.


62 posted on 05/07/2018 11:14:37 AM PDT by sheana
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To: BeauBo

So, who’s the Energy Commissioner’s relative who got the contract?


63 posted on 05/07/2018 12:17:16 PM PDT by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola.")
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To: BeauBo

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I wonder if there is any way to mitigate that vulnerability?

Isolating components modularly? Grounding, bonding or shielding components?
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The core problem is the massive area of current collection that serves as a perfect antenna for the very high frequency EMP. A PV solar cell has a really low Vr and any defect in the junction will ruin it. Another factor is the very short pulse rise time vs the sheer physical size of the cell. I cannot see any way that a blocking diode could have any time to operate. The current-collection “antenna” is right on top of the junction while any external shunt or protective device must be at a distance, which equals time. Not enough time when the rise time is picoseconds.

The only way to protect PV solar panels would be to build a Faraday cage around the entire panel.

This is why I have been posting this warning. I don’t see any way to effectively protect PV solar. I have been involved in RF engineering for almost 50 years starting with my FCC Commercial License in 1969.


64 posted on 05/07/2018 12:25:39 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: fireman15
The NW is different. As you pointed out, solar doesn't work well west of the Cascades. The other problem in the NW is the cheap hydro makes solar uneconomical. The additional power may well be dumped as you say. Usually the power company pays for extra wholesale power to take care of spikes, but dumps some of that (maybe 4 cents per kWh). But they may be required to purchase people's solar at 15 cents and then dump it.

Your machine example is pretty good. The machine can be turned off without any consequences. Solar is like that, it can be open circuit and won't burn up or anything like that. But it may be (and I don't know the facts) that the power companies are required to buy the solar power and then dump any extra that they have if they cannot throttle their wholesale suppliers. So then you have the case where you have a captive market for your lumber machine but they can't use the lumber so they put in a pile and burn it. That's not sustainable even if it works out for you in the short run.

65 posted on 05/07/2018 12:31:12 PM PDT by palmer (...if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive)
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To: theBuckwheat
The current-collection "antenna" is right on top of the junction

What is the antenna? I assume there have to be power connectors to take the power from each inidivdual cell, and those would be a few inches long at least. Are you saying those will generate enough voltage to kill the individual cells?

66 posted on 05/07/2018 12:36:56 PM PDT by palmer (...if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive)
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To: No Socialist

I looked into solar panels since my house catches the afternoon and evening sun really well on the backside and the cost and installation etc... was ridicules. It would have taken at least twenty years and no repairs to recoup the expenditure.


67 posted on 05/07/2018 12:37:26 PM PDT by sarge83
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To: jaydubya2

Either that or offer massive subsidies to people to install them.


68 posted on 05/07/2018 12:42:34 PM PDT by matt04
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To: Paradox

Reminds me of the pictures from Rio during the Olympics. The wealthy built a large wall so they wouldn’t have to see the slums or let any of the pesky slum dwellers interfere with their lives.


69 posted on 05/07/2018 12:46:53 PM PDT by matt04
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To: fella

A nearby town installed solar panels on several town buildings such as schools, PD/FD etc, but not city hall thanks to a federal grant. They have caused nothing but maintenance headaches in most of the buildings, so much so that they are ripping them off one after 4-5 years and replanting the formally new roof because they keep having to patch leaks and repair water damage to the ceilings and walls.


70 posted on 05/07/2018 12:52:15 PM PDT by matt04
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To: BeauBo

From a cost perspective it makes a lot of sense. Much cheaper to design them in and install them when a new house is built than retrofitting them in.


71 posted on 05/07/2018 1:28:06 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: CodeToad
"So, Kali adds a tax of at least $25,000 to every home."

Does the law apply to the homeless camps? Not every new home, just taxpayers' new homes.

72 posted on 05/07/2018 1:29:15 PM PDT by Sooth2222 (Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.")
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To: fireman15

“Good article. In the article it says that the new regulations will add an estimated $25,000 to $30,000 to the cost of constructing a new house but that after 25 years it will “save the owners” $50,000 to $60,000. The author points out that this is a horrible return on the “investment”

Not to mention that extra 30K is rolled into a 30 year mortgage. At 4.25% that 30K is now 53K


73 posted on 05/07/2018 1:57:17 PM PDT by DAC21
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To: DAC21

““Good article. In the article it says that the new regulations will add an estimated $25,000 to $30,000 to the cost of constructing a new house but that after 25 years it will “save the owners” $50,000 to $60,000. The author points out that this is a horrible return on the “investment”

Not to mention that extra 30K is rolled into a 30 year mortgage. At 4.25% that 30K is now 53K”

Forgot to mention that after 30 years, that original Solar System is dead / obsolete and still has 5 years to be paid off.


74 posted on 05/07/2018 2:15:28 PM PDT by DAC21
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Yes. About 560,000 low to moderate income people have left since 2006. All teachers, shop keepers, clerks, firemen, policemen, garbagemen, road maintenance people, etc. Replaced with highly paid programmers and techies. Not a recipe for long-term success, is it?


75 posted on 05/07/2018 2:40:38 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Lakeside Granny

California introducing more fascism!


76 posted on 05/07/2018 2:44:27 PM PDT by CottonBall (Thank you , Julian!)
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To: Magnum44

Yes, apparently California housing doesn’t cost enough already. After they mandated fire sprinklers in each newly built home, the cost went up by thousands.


77 posted on 05/07/2018 2:46:41 PM PDT by CottonBall (Thank you , Julian!)
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To: I want the USA back

“You liberals! stay the f*ck the hell out of things you don’t understand, like the free market economy.”

If we wanted to follow this through to its logical conclusion – something Liberals are incapable of doing – Eventually this new mandate will cause a decline in power requirements. Therefore the cost per kilowatt will go down. Making the solar power panels less necessary.


78 posted on 05/07/2018 2:49:02 PM PDT by CottonBall (Thank you , Julian!)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Why would teachers, fireman, policeman, and any other government workers leave California? They have a cushy pension there after working a very short time. That is a big part of what is bankrupting the state.


79 posted on 05/07/2018 2:57:49 PM PDT by CottonBall (Thank you , Julian!)
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To: CottonBall

A pension doesn’t put a roof over your head while you are working toward that pension.


80 posted on 05/07/2018 3:00:19 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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