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To: ethom
I don't know what happened in the Hanoi Hilton. I know there are contemporary allegations that he collaborated. I also am certain that they absolutely physically abused him as his physical state has borne witness. Did he sustain torture for a time before cracking and recording some stuff the enemy? I can't know that and no tape exists so what can you say? Without evidence to the contrary, I won't assume the worst.

He's been a backstabbing snake, a thief, and a liar from his time as a member of the Keating 5 until this very day. He takes glee in twisting the knife and he makes no secret of it. He's a terrible human being without an ounce of honor. But for me, that's not enough to say his POW experience was sunshine, roses, and collaboration.

14 posted on 05/11/2018 7:28:03 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Russians couldnt have done a better job destroying sacred American institutions than Democrats have)
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To: pepsi_junkie

His injuries were from not following proper ejection procedures, not torture.
They were self-inflicted.


20 posted on 05/11/2018 7:31:20 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here of Citizen Parents__Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: pepsi_junkie

“Did he sustain torture for a time before cracking and recording some stuff the enemy?”

Yes, and it was severe.

He was a special target because his dad was an admiral. What he went through, no man would endure without cracking.

To include John McCain.

But that’s not an excuse for being a scumbag politician upon his return.


25 posted on 05/11/2018 7:37:15 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: pepsi_junkie
I know it is not a popular opinion here, but I agree with you. Based on descriptions in The Hanoi Commitment, by Capt. James Mulligan, and When Hell Was in Session, by Adm. Jeremiah Denton, I will need to be convinced via hard evidence that John McCain collaborated with the North Vietnamese. Both of these memoirs were written relatively soon after the release of the POWs, and neither man had a bad word to say about McCain.
31 posted on 05/11/2018 7:49:34 AM PDT by WayneS
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To: pepsi_junkie
don't forget is was McQueeg who supposedly leaked the Russian dossier to the press...


36 posted on 05/11/2018 7:56:23 AM PDT by ethom
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To: pepsi_junkie

As I have seen reported, his physical disabilities come from ejecting from plane(s).


45 posted on 05/11/2018 8:09:03 AM PDT by battletank
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To: pepsi_junkie
"He's been a backstabbing snake, a thief, and a liar from his time as a member of the Keating 5 until this very day. "

Leopards don't change their spots. He obviously didn't change overnight into a backstabbing snake, thief and liar. I can't help but think that he's had those qualities all his life.

49 posted on 05/11/2018 8:13:05 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: pepsi_junkie

McCain’s arm problem is from his crashing his plane, iirc. He came back HEAVIER than ever!


62 posted on 05/11/2018 8:48:05 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....... The HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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