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To: MrEdd

I am happy to criticize McCains political career... however that doesn’t turn into criticizing him for breaking while being tortured. The fact that you and others think the first thing, grants you rights to the second is ridiculous.

You can believe what you want, but as I offered before, if you think being broken by torture makes you a traitor or weak, come on over and lets test your theory. My torture won’t even leave a mark on your body, unlike someone who’s battered and beaten routinely.

The belief that being broken by torture makes you a traitor, or weak, is wholesale ignorant. I know it makes you feel better to think you wouldn’t break, but reality is, you would.. anyone will. That’s the whole point of torture... you want to sit in your easy chair and think otherwise, I am glad your life has provided you that bubble of delusion.. largely on the backs of folks who have been there and done that. So if you are going to criticize someone for their actions while being there and doing that, so you don’t ever have to, then you are beyond foolish and ignorant.

I have no love for man of McCains political actions, particularly in recent years, and I will criticize them as much as anyone. There is no doubt in my mind that Obamacare lives because McCain let personal grievances against Trump weigh more on his vote than the good of the country. As they did when he turned over the Dossier to the FBI. That doesn’t mean that ignorant ad hominem attacks on him for actions while being tortured as a prisoner of war are justified.

Anyone engaging in such things shows nothing but their wholesale ignorance as far as I’m concerned. Torture’s very intent is to break you, and while hollywood and fictional novels may have provided you with protagonists who take everything and never crack, the real world does not work that way at all.


69 posted on 05/11/2018 9:33:54 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay

I reject your personal dismissal of the statements from the men who served in the POW camp with McCain.

In books which I have read for decades, they have asserted that no torture was needed to break McCain.

As I said before, I believe them.

Either all of them are lying about McCain, or you are.
They were there, you and I were not.
They can’t be telling the truth if you are telling the truth.
It really is as simple as that.
My belief is that they have been telling the truth all these decades.


71 posted on 05/11/2018 9:47:11 AM PDT by MrEdd (Caveat Emptor)
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