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Worst Idea in Illinois: Statewide Property Tax (to pay for unfunded pensions)
cdobs.com ^ | 5-2018 | Mike Glennon

Posted on 05/14/2018 11:28:59 AM PDT by doug from upland

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To: doug from upland

Where the f*ck are the people supposed to get the money from? We don’t have unlimited money, you penis inhalers. We don’t have it. Go get f*cked by a rhino.


21 posted on 05/14/2018 11:58:51 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Liberalism is the transformation of mankind into cattle. -Nietzche)
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To: doug from upland

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The only solution is to renegotiate pensions.
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You misspelled ‘eliminate’, maybe is was supposed to be ‘obliterate’.


22 posted on 05/14/2018 12:00:18 PM PDT by i_robot73 (One could not count the number of *solutions*, if only govt followed\enforced the Constitution.)
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To: AppyPappy

I honestly cannot find anything that documents where PPT goes, how it is disbursed. My gripe with it is that I also had to pay PPT on top of sales tax. That seems criminal to me. The law also states that VA can tax your furniture annually, but I have yet to see that happen (yet).

With all of the taxes folks pay around here (property, personal property, sales, gas, assessment, access, etc.) I am amazed I have any left over to buy lunch.


23 posted on 05/14/2018 12:06:32 PM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: doug from upland

I am reminded of the legendary bank robber who, when asked why he robbed banks, had the simple reply of; “That is where the money is!” In this case, property is non-movable and taxable, thus it is where the money is! Too late to dig up the (mostly) Dem politicos who got the votes and won the elections by mortgaging the future selling bonds to pay that day’s ‘bribe!’


24 posted on 05/14/2018 12:06:48 PM PDT by SES1066 (Happiness is a depressed Washington, DC housing market!)
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To: Tea Party Terrorist
The Pensions are un-renegotiable. They are wholly irrevocable. They are etched into constitutional stone.

Someone should file suit in Federal court alleging that Illinois' constitutional guarantee is a system of peonage and violates Article IV, Section 4 of the US Constitution guaranteeing a republican form of government.

As the Illinois SCOTUS reads it, the pension guarantee establishes public employees as noblemen entitled to feudal dues in perpetuity, regardless of any future election.

25 posted on 05/14/2018 12:08:48 PM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens")
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To: doug from upland

Why they prohibit firearms.


26 posted on 05/14/2018 12:09:05 PM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (I speak hyperbolically)
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To: doug from upland

Geeez! I wonder if the commie Mexican Legislature in California will pick up on this theft!


27 posted on 05/14/2018 12:11:24 PM PDT by notaliberal (St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle,)
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To: doug from upland

How about making these state gods work free to pay for it?


28 posted on 05/14/2018 12:13:15 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper
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To: doug from upland
In the early 1990s, California and other states, started imposing their income tax on NONRESIDENTS who were receiving retirement income earned from when they were in-state residents. This was stopped in 1995 when the US Congress passed Public Law 104-95 that made such taxation illegal. I wonder if this would be reversed now as any law can be overturned by a new law.
29 posted on 05/14/2018 12:20:23 PM PDT by SES1066 (Happiness is a depressed Washington, DC housing market!)
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To: doug from upland

Only thing that would make this idea better is to exempt union members homes from the tax. Yes/No/Maybe?


30 posted on 05/14/2018 12:21:16 PM PDT by Renkluaf
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To: mewzilla

Then they will raise the personal income tax and other property taxes.

IL is in trouble.


31 posted on 05/14/2018 12:26:51 PM PDT by redgolum
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To: redgolum

Not just IL. But if you don’t own it or earn it, they can’t take it. We went Galt before it was fashionable. We used to be the butt of jokes, friends and family woukd razz us, but not any more...


32 posted on 05/14/2018 12:28:44 PM PDT by mewzilla (Has the FBI been spying on members of Congress?)
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To: pierrem15

Why do you hate government employees?

/s


33 posted on 05/14/2018 12:29:05 PM PDT by Tea Party Terrorist (A bad peace is better than a good war.)
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To: reed13k

If I remember correctly Illinois made the mistake of making the state pensions part of their State Constitution and every attempt in court has thus been lost when trying to adjust them in any way.
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“...made the mistake...”? It wasn’t a “mistake”. It was DELIBERATE and was intended to make Illinois government “workers” (as well as legislators) an overlord class that was untouchable financially. It legally institutionalized the idea that when hard times arrive non-governmental citizens are legally obligated to always support their governmental overlords — no matter how impoveraged the non-governmental citizens become.


34 posted on 05/14/2018 12:30:17 PM PDT by House Atreides (BOYCOTT the NFL, its products and players 100% - PERMANENTLY)
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To: doug from upland

I think it’s getting to the point that anything you can’t hide in your pocket is goign to get taxed to nothing.

The idea that any of these ponzi schemes can survive long term is ludicrous and despite people being “promised” a pension they are fools for thinking they could get so much for so little.


35 posted on 05/14/2018 12:30:34 PM PDT by Manuel OKelley
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To: redgolum

IL is in trouble.
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All except for the GOVERNMENTAL EMPLOYEE OVERLORDS.


36 posted on 05/14/2018 12:31:44 PM PDT by House Atreides (BOYCOTT the NFL, its products and players 100% - PERMANENTLY)
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To: House Atreides

Wasn’t sure if it was like some states where it goes to a citizen ballot vote or not.

If strictly legislature then I concur.


37 posted on 05/14/2018 12:34:28 PM PDT by reed13k
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To: doug from upland

“Homeowners with houses worth $250,000 would pay an additional $2,500 per year in property taxes”

The “additional” is way more than my total.


38 posted on 05/14/2018 12:45:18 PM PDT by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc O'Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: doug from upland

I haven’t read the proposal, but I’m guessing the proposal was made in order to produce a shock. The ILL government needs to take off its blinders and understand what a mess they’ve made of the State finances.

The bright side is that if you want to be able to buy cheap real estate in Chicago, wait a few years until the taxes go up to cover the pension shortfall. When that happens, real estate will suddenly become a liability, and you’ll see a buyer’s market for a decade or two.


39 posted on 05/14/2018 12:53:18 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: pierrem15

I like your idea.


40 posted on 05/14/2018 1:16:45 PM PDT by NEMDF
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