'**** the NRA' Candidate Doesn't Know a Thing About Guns, But Does Know What It's Like to Drive(T)

townhall.com ^ | 5/17/2018 | Micah Rate

[rktman]

A Democratic congressional candidate from the state of New Mexico, Pat Davis has found himself in the national spotlight for his viral "**** the NRA" advertisement. Davis is getting even more attention for his interview with Fox News' Tucker Carlson on Tuesday night over another one of his controversial, and false, advertisements where he claims an AR-15 can fire 150 rounds in 15 seconds.

But Pat Davis' controversial gun control advertisements aren't the only controversial thing about the candidate and current Albuquerque city councilor.

In 2013, while chairman of the Albuquerque Metro Crime Stoppers, Pat Davis was arrested on an aggravated DWI charge, where he blew a .16, twice the legal limit.

[Delta 21]

Pat Davis is an idiot.

https://youtu.be/nu_7m—Ozrs

[Dutch Boy]

Here is the big question, is Jerry Miculek faster than a bump stock?

[Texas Fossil]

No, will not approach 10 rounds per second. An M-16 on full auto won’t.

Anybody telling you that it will is lying or doesn’t understand what they are talking about.

An simi-auto AR fired by squeezing the trigger might give around 25 aimed rounds per minute.

If there was a full auto AR (there is not) a maximum cycle rate would be about 750 rounds per minute. And it dependent upon the loading of the cartridge and barrel length. And barrel heating limits how long you can hold the trigger down without having issues. M-16’s are seldom fired longer than bursts because of that.

The bump stock mechanism, now outlawed, will probably not exceed 200 rounds per minute. I heard during the Las Vagas attack what I thought was a heavy machine gun, turns out it was not. The feed rate on the bump stock makes it sound like the heavy machine gun cycle rate.

[Ancesthntr]

Well, you HAVE to take into account mag changes for the purposes of evaluating this particular issue. This guy Davis said that an AR-15 could fire 150 rounds in 15 seconds. Well, let’s see the YouTube of someone actually doing that. The M16’s cyclic rate of fire of approx. 900 rounds/min. is unrealistic for a full minute...because even if you had a 900-round mag (or, more likely, a belt with 900 rounds in it), the barrel would melt and/or the action would seize well before you got to 900 rounds. Cyclic rates of fire are nice in theory, but meaningless except for very short periods of time.

[Ancesthntr]

“No, will not approach 10 rounds per second. An M-16 on full auto won’t.

Anybody telling you that it will is lying or doesn’t understand what they are talking about.

An simi-auto AR fired by squeezing the trigger might give around 25 aimed rounds per minute.

If there was a full auto AR (there is not) a maximum cycle rate would be about 750 rounds per minute.”

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While I agree with the gist of what you’re saying (in the quote above and the rest of your post), you might want to run those numbers through a calculator. 10 rounds/second = 600 rounds/minute. 750/minute = 12.5 rounds/second.

[Ancesthntr]

“An simi-auto AR fired by squeezing the trigger might give around 25 aimed rounds per minute.”

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I’m quite sure that even a modestly well-trained rifleman could get off a lot more than that. Just FYI, the “Mad Minute” training exercise that the Brits had with the bolt-action Lee-Enfield rifle often produced rates of aimed fire of greater than 25 rounds/minute (the record is 36 - for hits on a 48-inch target at 300 yards).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_minute

Of course, none of the information above serves in any way to validate what that moronic anti-gun fanatic, Pat Davis, said about the ability to fire 150 rounds from an AR-15 in 15 seconds. That simply cannot be done (and if, by some chance it is physically possible, then probably less than half a dozen people in the world are capable of that).

[raybbr]

Has the ex cop given up HIS guns as an example?

[Texas Fossil]

I was not basing that on formula calculation.

What I stated was in general terms. I made no effort to base it on a standard cycle per minute maximum.

It depends upon cartridge, barrel length and other factors. That will vary a fair amount.

Note: I don’t own an AR or an AK. But I have fired M-16’s. I’m not particularly fond of any of them.

M-16’s have certainly improved since the late 1960’s. (accuracy and reliability)

[alexander_busek]

At least I've seen them dump 30 rounds in just under 3 seconds, and dump 100 rounds in about 10 seconds.

Well, an Olympic-class sprinter can run a mile in about 4 minutes, so by your logic, he should be able to run a hundred miles in 400 minutes, right?

Regards,

[Texas Fossil]

Concede you point. Agree with what you said.

[chrisinoc]

He’s getting hammered on Facebook. I posted comments there and it was immediately deleted.

https://www.facebook.com/patfornm/

[Kickass Conservative]

The AR-15 Fire Rate is only mentioned by the DemoncRat Candidate to scare People who are clueless and believe every bit of propaganda fed to them by the DNC Media..

All this back and forth about the accuracy of the claim misses the mark. It is smoke and mirrors and everyone here is preaching to the Choir.

As far as Liberals go, you can’t fix stupid. You can only hope to educate the ignorant ones who still have a Brain in ther Heads. The rest are too far gone.

[IYAS9YAS]

No, will not approach 10 rounds per second. An M-16 on full auto won’t.

And

If there was a full auto AR (there is not) a maximum cycle rate would be about 750 rounds per minute.

don't make sense together. 750 rounds per minute is more than 10 rounds per second (12.5).

Also, the cyclic rate given for the M-16 is 750-900 rounds/minute cyclic sustained (which would be 12.5 to 15 rounds/second), and 45-60 rounds/minute in semi-auto mode.

Sources: https://www.usmcofficer.com/marine-corps-knowledge/weapons/m16/

and

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M16_rifle

Again, go to YouTube, look for AR-15 Bump Stock and watch how fast they empty the mags. As I stated, if there were a 150-round mag available, it would be possible to dump 150 rounds in 15 seconds.

[IYAS9YAS]

Here is the big question, is Jerry Miculek faster than a bump stock?

Probably. That guy is quick.

[richardtavor]

I am surprised no one really brought his “career” in law enforcement. How long was it? Why did he leave it? What were the terms of his separation? If you tout your credentials as a cop, you should be questioned.

[rktman]

Gray Beaver?

[rktman]

Double the "whinery" when he loses. 🙀

[rktman]

Doh! Don’t think I can do 150 in that time frame.

[Beagle8U]

Yeah, that’s one of her many names. I still like “Crazy Whores” for her name. lol.

[rktman]

Because opposing "progressives" is nazi hate talk. Or something. That's probably why it was deleted. 🍿🍻👹🇺🇸