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Did the Obama Administration Spy on Trump Using Flimsy Evidence? Let's Find Out
Townhall.com ^ | May 25, 2018 | David Harsanyi

Posted on 05/25/2018 11:56:47 AM PDT by Kaslin

If the Justice Department and FBI are, as we've been told incessantly over the past year, not merely patriots but consummate professionals incapable of being distracted by partisanship or petty Washington intrigues, why are Donald Trump's antagonists freaking out over the fact that an inspector general will assess whether political motivation tainted an investigation into the president's campaign? The American people should get a full accounting of what transpired during 2016. Isn't that what we've been hearing since the election?

You believe President Trump is corrupt. We get it. But surely anyone who alleges to be concerned about the sanctity of our institutions and rule of law would have some cursory curiosity about whether an investigation by the administration of one major party into the presidential campaign of another major party was grounded in direct evidence rather than fabulist rumormongering. Otherwise any administration, including Trump's, could initiate an investigation for whatever cooked-up superficial reason it wants. Then, when a constitutionally empowered oversight committee demands information about that investigation, the DOJ could accuse it of "extortion" and stonewall for years.

I don't know if there's a big conspiracy by the deep state. I doubt it, in fact. But it's pretty obvious to me that leaders of our institutions aren't above spying. Then-CIA Director John Brennan spied on the legislative branch and lied about it to the American people. Then-Director of National Intelligence James Clapper spied on the American people through a domestic surveillance program and lied about it to Congress. Although the Obama administration never tweeted nasty attacks on journalists, it did spy on and prosecute them. It's completely plausible that those in the upper echelon of law enforcement saw Trump as a threat and then used wobbly evidence as the pretext to investigate his campaign. If not, it'll be good to clear their names.

A truly silly New York Times headline last week read "FBI Used Informant to Investigate Russia Ties to Campaign, Not to Spy, as Trump Claims." You can call it whatever makes you happy, but in the real world, the act of furtively gathering information about someone else is called spying.

Perhaps all of this will lead to nothing exciting. Perhaps the competing narratives that have sprung up around Trump and Russia will end far less dramatically than either of their champions hope. But when rule-of-law enthusiasts keep arguing the DOJ is independent of the president and then turn around and argue that a congressional oversight committee shouldn't have the right to ask the executive branch for documents pertaining to its inquiry, one begins to suspect that perhaps some of the hyperbolic rhetoric we've been hearing over the past two years has been little more than partisanship.

Most of those arguing that Trump is attacking the constitutional system by demanding the DOJ investigate its conduct know well that he has full authority to do so. Many sat quietly for eight years of executive abuse. It's not as if the president instructed the DOJ to stop following the law, after all. He had as much ammunition to ask for an investigation as Democrats had when asking for a special counsel.

Presidents ask the DOJ to do all kinds of things all the time. If the attorney general doesn't like it, he can resign. If the folks running the DOJ or FBI don't like it, they can quit. If Congress doesn't like it, it can impeach the president. That's the constitutional system under which every president, including Trump, functions.

Is Trump pushing the issue for political reasons? Of course. If special counsel Robert Mueller doesn't come back with any evidence of collusion -- all the other indictments and criminality he has found matter, of course, but they have nothing to do with the impetus for the investigation -- it will be all the more important to figure out what the previous administration was up to. Precedent and history matter.

The New York Times recently ran a 4,000-word ostensible overview of the FBI's Trump-Russia probe, which fed the impression that investigators were tougher on a hapless Hillary Clinton -- whose accidental blunders and honest mistakes ruined her chances of election -- but ignored Trump's nefarious ties to a foreign power. The problem with this tale, as it stands now, is that there was an abundance of evidence suggesting that Clinton was engaged in criminal activity -- sending numerous classified and top-secret documents via unsecured servers, destroying evidence, etc. Perhaps Mueller will bring the goods at some point. But to this point, there has not been any evidence to back up the hysteria that followed 2016. It's completely reasonable to find out what prompted it.

If, as I've been assured by numerous smart people, the FBI and DOJ would never ever engage in such partisanship or recklessness -- or maybe ineptitude -- then a methodical accounting of events leading up to the special counsel investigation would help them.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: barackhussein0bama; coup; deepstate; doj; obama; spying; worstpresidentever
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1 posted on 05/25/2018 11:56:48 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Duh..


2 posted on 05/25/2018 11:58:21 AM PDT by South Dakota (We need a real independent investigation of Bill/Hillary and Obama's actions)
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To: Kaslin
All I know is, Trump better have Rosenstein FIRED like RIGHT NOW because he is slow-walking Congress by ignoring subpoenas and illegally redacting information that has NOTHING TO DO with national security.

END this stonewalling charade by Rosenstein RIGHT NOW. Enough is enough. Long past overdue!

Judicial Watch has found numerous CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS on Hillary email account AND Weiner's laptop. ARREST THEM NOW. What the F*** is going on?

3 posted on 05/25/2018 12:02:52 PM PDT by CivilWarBrewing (Get off my back for my usage of CAPS, especially you snowflake males! MAN UP!)
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To: CivilWarBrewing

He’s feeding him rope............................


4 posted on 05/25/2018 12:03:43 PM PDT by Red Badger (Remember all the great work Obama did for the black community?.............. Me neither.)
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To: All
A truly silly New York Times headline last week read "FBI Used Informant to Investigate Russia Ties to Campaign, Not to Spy, as Trump Claims."

Gotta protect the Magic Negro's filthy ***.

REALITY CHECK You can call it whatever makes you happy, but in the real world, the act of furtively gathering information about someone else is called spying.

5 posted on 05/25/2018 12:10:27 PM PDT by Liz
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To: Kaslin
Let's just keep in mind......Obama "said"-- Trump was in danger, so Obama sprang to his defense (snort) and planted a (cough) "informant" in Trump's campaign.

So why didnt Obama inform Trump he was in danger and needed protection?

NOT TELLING is proof-positive, Obama was up to no good.

6 posted on 05/25/2018 12:14:18 PM PDT by Liz
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To: Kaslin

The deep state is real.

Democrats have planted or taken over the media, to the tune of about 80-90%. They’ve done the same thing with the education system(s), to the point where it’s rare to find conservatives in their ranks.

I’m pretty sure that the democrats have been very busy in the last few decades, especially in the last one, getting mostly liberals hired by both, the FBI and DOJ and many other government agencies.

It was a major surprise and shocking to them that Hillary lost, when they expected that with their deep-state assistance that Hillary could not lose.

I’m pretty sure that if polled, that the FBI and DOJ, and perhaps even the CIA, would have mostly liberals in their ranks, and not just in the upper management levels


7 posted on 05/25/2018 12:14:26 PM PDT by adorno
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To: CivilWarBrewing

Laws only apply to the right and the poor.


8 posted on 05/25/2018 12:17:19 PM PDT by halfright (Deplorable in Florida...You can give peace a chance.... I'll cover you.)
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To: Kaslin
If Congress doesn't like it, it can impeach the president. That's the constitutional system under which every president, including Trump, functions.

Absolutely not true. The president cannot be impeached just because the Congress does not like him.

9 posted on 05/25/2018 12:21:47 PM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: Kaslin

What turnip wagon did this guy fall off of?


10 posted on 05/25/2018 12:30:07 PM PDT by Arm_Bears (Hey, Rocky--Watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat!)
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To: Kaslin
Did the Obama Administration Spy on Trump Using Flimsy Evidence?

Does the Pope where a funny hat?

11 posted on 05/25/2018 12:33:17 PM PDT by Magnum44 (My comprehensive terrorism plan: Hunt them down and kill them)
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To: Kaslin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Harsanyi

Harsanyi is a nationally syndicated columnist and senior editor at The Federalist. He is a former editor of Human Events and opinion columnist at The Denver Post. His writings on politics and culture have appeared in The Wall Street Journal, Weekly Standard, Washington Post, National Review, Reason, Christian Science Monitor, Jerusalem Post, The Globe and Mail, The Hill, Sports Illustrated Online, and other publications.

A libertarian, his column is nationally syndicated by Creators Syndicate. He is author of The People Have Spoken (and They Are Wrong): The Case Against Democracy, Obama's Four Horsemen: The Disasters Unleashed by Obama's Reelection and Nanny State: How Food Fascists, Teetotaling Do-Gooders, Priggish Moralists, and other Boneheaded Bureaucrats are Turning America into a Nation of Children. He left his position writing op-eds for The Denver Post to work for TheBlaze.

Harsanyi's family defected from Hungary. He identifies himself as a Jewish atheist and believes that gay marriage neither undermines traditional marriage nor triggers societal instability.

12 posted on 05/25/2018 12:39:40 PM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: Red Badger

no. he’s milking these events for political gain.

it’s impossible to resist.


13 posted on 05/25/2018 12:42:20 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Texas Fossil

“The president cannot be impeached just because the Congress does not like him. “

Yes they can. They can define High Crimes and Misdemeanors any which way they choose.

The only limit placed upon that definition is whether there’s a majority of House members willing to agree to it, and whether there are 67 Senators willing to agree.

That is the only, exclusive limit placed upon Congress for Impeachment and Removal.


14 posted on 05/25/2018 12:46:57 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Kaslin

The evidence wasn’t merely flimsy, it was completely nonexistent.

If they wanted to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump is clean, they would do what they did and fail to come up with anything, as they did.


15 posted on 05/25/2018 12:53:43 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Number of arrested coup conspirators to date: 0)
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To: Kaslin

No, the obama administration spied on Trump using NO evidence.


16 posted on 05/25/2018 1:22:32 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Mariner
Article 2, Section 4, Impeachment:

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

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It requires that he be Impeached (tried) for Treason, Bribery, or other high Crims and Misdemeanors. And then the Senate can remove him. Impeachment is not a popularity contest.

17 posted on 05/25/2018 3:22:45 PM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: CivilWarBrewing

You know that Trump can declassify anything he wants right now? I hope he will do it soon and fire Rosentein the next day. No need to fire Sessions right away. Get someone good to replace Rosenstein.

Because Sessions is so out of it that the Deputy Attorney General is really the US Attorney General.


18 posted on 05/25/2018 3:27:48 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: Texas Fossil

What are “High Crimes and Misdemeanors”, and who defines them?

Congress does. Ad hoc. At their leisure.

And it could be as simple as making a “racist” comment, depending on the political landscape.


19 posted on 05/25/2018 3:58:28 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

There is a provision in the Constitution not allowing “expost facto laws”.


20 posted on 05/25/2018 5:02:08 PM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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