Posted on 06/01/2018 11:41:03 AM PDT by Liberty7732
How does <15% help? 1% would be a disaster for the GOP.
My boo boo.
The Democrats make that case, every election. But in reality socialism can be profitable for a substantial fraction of the public in the short run only. It is devastatingly (see, “Venezuela”) counterproductive in the long run. And the short run is not 50 years since LBJ’s “Great Society,” it isn’t even ten years.In no time at all the promises of socialism turn out to be hot air.
Although our modern socialists' promise of greater freedom is genuine and sincere, in recent years observer after observer has been impressed by the unforeseen consequences of socialism, the extraordinary similarity in many respects of the conditions under 'communism' and 'fascism'. As the writer Peter Drucker expressed it in 1939,'the complete collapse of the belief in the attainability of freedom and equality through Marxism has forced Russia to travel the same road toward a totalitarian society of unfreedom and inequality which Germany has been following. Not that communism and fascism are essentially the same. Fascism is the stage reached after communism has proved an illusion, and it has proved as much an illusion in Russia as in pre-Hitler Germany.’No less significant is the intellectual outlook of the rank and file in the communist and fascist movements in Germany before 1933. The relative ease with which a young communist could be converted into a Nazi or vice versa was well known, best of all to the propagandists of the two parties. The communists and Nazis clashed more frequently with each other than with other parties simply because they competed for the same type of mind and reserved for each other the hatred of the heretic. Their practice showed how closely they are related. To both, the real enemy, the man with whom they had nothing in common, was the liberal of the old type. While to the Nazi the communist and to the communist the Nazi, and to both the socialist, are potential recruits made of the right timber, they both know that there can be no compromise between them and those who really believe in individual freedom.What is promised to us as the Road to Freedom is in fact the Highroad to Servitude. For it is not difficult to see what must be the consequences when democracy embarks upon a course of planning. The goal of the planning will be described by some such vague term as 'the general welfare'. There will be no real agreement as to the ends to be attained, and the effect of the people's agreeing that there must be central planning, without agreeing on the ends, will be rather as if a group of people were to commit themselves to take a journey together without agreeing where they want to go: with the result that they may all have to make a journey which most of them do not want at all.
____________— F A Hayek,
But socialism for blacks with white people’s money could go on for a long time without precipitating a Venezuela.
To speak in terms of “the black vote” is sort of silly
All that is required is <18% or so. There is no need to try to get the black vote.
Only a rather small part will do the job
The Road to Serfdom (May, 1945 Reader’s Digest Condensed Version)
Easy
TRUMP
Keep providing jobs and tax cuts.
It raises some good points but I am extremely uncomfortable talking abut white votes and black votes. These are American citizen votes first and last.
That is the traditional Republican view, which I share. The Democrats have been only too successful selling the contrary view.
Plus one
I’ve been saying that that for decades
They don't. Accept that and move on. The Republicans have shown time and again they can win without it.
Nixon got 30 percent of the black vote in 1960; hardly any in 1968 and 1972.
Dewey competed for black support in 1948 but still fell short.
“made a credible case that life as free people within a prosperous community grounded in moral and ethical behavior is superior to government dependency.“
How Eurocentric of you!
“The GOP must become the White party, for our Dale. The Trump 2.0 needs to talk about “European” values, heritage, and people with the same frequency and pleasure that the Dems talk about “Hispanics” and blacks.”
AMEN!!! And it’s high time we stop acting like British cops who think that they turn back the clock on their soaring crime by STILL not carrying guns.
Likewise here. If every group except whites lines up with Democrats, whites would be TOTAL IDIOTS to keep giving nearly half of their vote to those same Democrats. That’s called GAME OVER. If we wanted to keep two viable parties representing our interests, we should have NEVER allowed our country to be flooded with immigrants, but we did, and now we have to live with it. There is no turning back of the clock.
In 2008, Obama wasn’t trying to win the white vote - he was trying to win 40% of it. That was the magic number his pollsters told him was needed. So he did JUST ENOUGH to get that 40%. He divided us up ethnically, whether we liked it or not.
But only 4% of black women vote republican.
Black men have some sense and can be reasoned with when it comes to voting, but what is wrong with black women?
They seem to be the biggest left-wing bloc in existence.
I'm sure that even Trump got more than 4% from the gay community.
I think you’ll see blacks voting Rep in November, and as much as they can see employment going down, in 2020, I think 15% will vote Trump/Rep.
I agree. The only people nowadays still talking and thinking in terms of “we are all Americans” are some white conservatives, no one else. Every other voting bloc is predicated on identity politics, and ethnocentric interests (with the feminist/gender connections). For us (white conservatives) to continue to ignore this fact on the ground is just blind and suicidal.
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