They are victims when they’ve been given drugs that cause suicidal behavior.
The victims are the people left behind who loved the person that took their own life. The person who commits suicide no longer feels pain, but for the people who cared about them, their suffering has just begun. They get to suffer for both.
I think this is an incredibly mean-spirited post.
Suicide may not just ‘happen’ to someone; but something has happened before which leads to it.
I can’t imagine the misery that would lead someone to do this, especially if they are leaving behind young children. I can only thank God that I’ve never been brought to that point, and pray for those who have.
Suicide is badass.
People who take their own lives are lost in a mental illness. To say otherwise is ignorance. Suicide leaves those behind with devastation, guilt, and shame.
If you have not personally experience the devastation it’s probably best if the responses aren’t so smug
Robin Williams is the one case I can understand, from all reports I heard, he was in pretty bad shape.
He claims to be an objectivist...a Randian, those who are enthralled by a godless self centered manner of living.
I heard a guy describe suicide as a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
“Can you imagine having the world at your fingertips and refusing to get help for a problem that’s highly manageable and treatable? “
Happens routinely with the mentally ill.
This Hurd is just pushing ‘objectivist’ dogma.
” Indeed, nearly every bad situation we find ourselves in are the result of irrational thinking and poor choices. “
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Not so !!!!!!!!
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Of course not.
Egregious abuse of language, usually for nefarious ends.
I went to a funeral for a 28 year old man who killed himself just before his first wedding anniversary. He was eulogized as the most caring, and selfless person you could know. The minister told us not to refer to him in the past tense. I felt incredible sympathy for his family, but really felt like I was in bizzaro world.
Psychiatrists have moved on from talk therapy to pill-pushing. Because a lot of mental illness - specifically depression - has to do with chemical imbalances. The problem is that the drugs we have today to fix the chemical imbalances are not fully effective and have serious side effects. Patients complain about an inability to feel anything, as well as weight gain. We can only hope that the pharma industry somehow comes up with further improvements to the current state of the art that finally fix the problem once and for all.
Mental illness, like PTSD, is a physiological problem, not a psychological one. The doctors who came up with the lobotomy had the right idea, i.e. the problem was physiological, even though the solution they came up with failed to make its patients normal. Unfortunately, the drugs we have today achieve, in essence, a lobotomy-like state rather than normalcy.
That's a cruel and incorrect view of serious mental illness.
Many mental illnesses are very hard to treat successfully, and anyone who has read even a few research papers on the topic should know that. Dr. Hurd's viewpoint is not supported by any existing body of research.
And the idea that someone who is mentally ill is somehow able to think clearly, or rationally, and is therefore totally at fault for not taking the correct actions is a ridiculous viewpoint.
That's like blaming the veteran who lost his legs to a land mine for his fate. After all, he stepped in the wrong place! We don't blame the victims of attacks, accidents, illnesses, or many other causes of death that could have been prevented if the victim had taken a different course of action. So why blame a mentally ill person for one terrible consequence of their illness?
People who commit suicide are almost always victims of a serious mental illness which they have been fighting for a long time.
I pretty much agree with this, if the person is an adult with a child. However, if the person is suffering from serious addiction or depression, and tried to get help, and nothing worked, I feel they are victims. If they are actual victims, they are victims: their family wiped out in a tragedy, huge unimaginable losses of loved ones, abused and tortured and just can’t recover, or terminally ill, then to me they are victims.
My heart breaks for anyone without young children who feels it’s the only way. If they have young children, my heart breaks for the children.
I think the recent rash of suicides is related to the abandoning of religion. You might be the paragon of worldly success, but if you are spiritually empty you can lose all hope. Victor Frankel’s book “ Man’s Search for Meaning” discusses this in detail.
Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
I’ve come to the conclusion that suicide is the ultimate expression of narcissism. The self centered person makes it all about them with no thoughts for anyone else.