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Southern Baptists Call Off the Culture War
The Atlantic ^ | 6-16-2018 | Jonathan Merritt

Posted on 06/16/2018 4:56:13 PM PDT by Salman

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To: Jess Kitting

Jesus Christ.


61 posted on 06/16/2018 11:45:50 PM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: SaveFerris
This article is an argument for the false teaching of the works-based "social gospel" which in no gospel at all. Or as Paul referred to "another gospel" (2 Corinthians 11:4.) “Classic fundamentalist old-guard churches are either dead or dying, and the younger generation is realizing that the old way of articulating the gospel is turning away more people than it is attracting."

"For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe."~1 Corinthians 1:17-21

__Satan's plan has always been to diminish the Lord's commands and word of truth and replace it with watered down lies. "Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said..."~Genesis 3:1

We live in a time of great deception.

62 posted on 06/17/2018 8:11:56 AM PDT by 444Flyer (John 3)
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To: goldstategop

Maybe they should look at the other denominations that went left, how’s that work out for them? They are dying from emptiness and not standing for anything. I have watched these”modern “ churches in my small town drying up and dying while the conservative ones hold their own or are growing.

My church is a SBC church and if they go left and wobbly it will quickly dump the SBC and watch it die like the rest who chose the wide open and crooked path of the militant left.


63 posted on 06/17/2018 8:54:49 AM PDT by sarge83
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To: righttackle44
So before you go making absurd--REALLY absurd--statements such as you have, I'd suggest you get your facts together.

Uh huh.

Ye shall know them by their fruits.
Matthew 7:16-20 (KJV)


I'm not a baptist but I was raise around them and went to their services. They are good, rock ribbed believers and this article shook me because they are the bulwark against the flood of godless leftist ideology. To hear their leadership crumbling to political correctness is a blow. A tremendous blow.

If this is not so, then the good brothers get to get a hold of their leaders and sit them aright. Because, otherwise its "Matthew 7:16-20"
64 posted on 06/17/2018 11:00:42 AM PDT by RedMonqey (" Those who turn their arms in for plowshares will be doing the plowing for those who didnÂ’t.")
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To: Salman

The article says they are changing direction, but never says WHAT.

One part that got my attention was:

“They appear to recognize that tethering themselves to Donald Trump—a thrice-married man who has bragged about committing adultery, lies with impunity, allegedly paid hush money to a porn star with whom he had an affair, and says he has never asked God for forgiveness—places the moral credibility of the Southern Baptist Convention at risk.”

Excuse me? Whom do you think the vast number of your parishioners voted for?

Organized religion sucks! Jesus, the bible, is all you need.

Jesus, the one church leader you can count on. Too many of today’s (and yesterday’s) church leaders are perverts and pedophiles.


65 posted on 06/17/2018 12:34:16 PM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Jess Kitting

You got me. I’m Evangelical Reform Sadducee.


66 posted on 06/17/2018 1:58:23 PM PDT by bIlluminati (Defund the Left. Shrink the U.S. Federal government to 1897 levels.)
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To: goldstategop

Independent Baptists remain biblically-based and use only the King James Bible. They are unlikely to surrender in the culture war.


67 posted on 06/17/2018 3:01:05 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: mrsmel

Independent Baptists have thus far, as I understand, stuck with the hymns and not gone “chorus”.


68 posted on 06/17/2018 3:06:51 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: Louis Foxwell

Methodism is an outgrowth of Episcopalian.


69 posted on 06/17/2018 3:08:29 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: sarge83

Most SBC churches can’t ditch the SBC without paying a hefty amount of money. It’s that way with conservative PCA churches trying to form from the ultra-liberal PCUSA.


70 posted on 06/17/2018 3:12:27 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: Jess Kitting

Independent Baptists (3 million)


71 posted on 06/17/2018 3:14:04 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: Theodore R.

That is correct and it is following the same path.


72 posted on 06/17/2018 4:49:33 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Islam is Satan's finest work.)
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To: DesertRhino

Here are a couple of resolutions that passed. I have issue with them - wolves in sheep’s clothing:

RESOLVED, That messengers to the Southern Baptist Convention meeting in Dallas, Texas, June 12–13, 2018, do grieve and decry the epidemic of gun violence resulting in mass shootings across America; and be it further

RESOLVED, That we express solidarity with all those victimized by gun violence and seek every available opportunity to minister to them in the name of Jesus Christ; and be it further

RESOLVED, That we commend the heroism of police officers, first responders, and bystanders who bravely intervene in violent situations to eliminate additional threats and provide emergency aid to victims (Romans 13:1–7); and be it further

RESOLVED, That we call on federal, state, and local authorities to address the epidemic of gun violence by evaluating the societal maladies that lead to escalations in gun violence and mass shootings; and be it further

RESOLVED, That we call on federal, state, and local authorities to implement preventative measures that would reduce gun violence and mass shootings while operating in accordance with the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution

[Note: The SBC has not expertise in gun laws...so STAY OUT!]


RESOLVED, That we desire to see immigration reform include an emphasis on securing our borders and providing a pathway to legal status with appropriate restitutionary measures, maintaining the priority of family unity, resulting in an efficient immigration system that honors the value and dignity of those seeking a better life for themselves and their families; and be it further

RESOLVED, That we declare that any form of nativism, mistreatment, or exploitation is inconsistent with the gospel of Jesus Christ; and be it further

RESOLVED, That we encourage all elected officials, especially those who are members of Southern Baptist churches, to do everything in their power to advocate for a just and equitable immigration system, those in the professional community to seek ways to administer just and compassionate care for the immigrants in their community, and our Southern Baptist entities to provide resources that will equip and empower churches and church members to reach and serve immigrant communities

[Note: My wife is a legal immigrant, but this is NOT something the SBC has ANY business sticking its nose in!]


RESOLVED, That the messengers to the Southern Baptist Convention meeting in Dallas, Texas, June 12–13, 2018, maintain and renew our public renunciation of racism in all its forms, including our disavowal of the “curse of Ham” doctrine and any other attempt to distort or misappropriate the Bible to justify this evil; and be it further

RESOLVED, That we not be satisfied in our hearts with embracing any doctrinal belief that contradicts human dignity expressed in the creation account and beg the Almighty to purge all remaining dross of this false teaching from our hearts to the glory of God; and be it further

RESOLVED, That we remain vigilant to bring about the healing and restoration of individuals affected by this sort of doctrine, not allowing any future version of this wicked teaching to creep into our hearts or our pulpits...

[Note: What the heck? 40 years in the pews and I’ve never heard ANY SBC church be anything but contemptuous of the ‘doctrine of Ham’. It has been the MORMONS who pushed it!]


http://www.sbc.net/resolutions/search/results.asp?query=2018

I’d like to see the church I’m in leave the SBC but I won’t hold my breath. Seems like the SBC is starting to bow down to the SJWs!

I’d like my church to get out. We could still support missionaries, but I don’t think the seminaries are worth a bucket of warm spit and the “leadership” of the SBC is even worse!


73 posted on 06/17/2018 5:22:44 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: Theodore R.

“Most SBC churches can’t ditch the SBC without paying a hefty amount of money.”

Believe that is the second time you’ve claimed that. I’m 99% certain it is false. I’ve never been in a Southern Baptist church that had ANY financial obligations to the convention.

If you have evidence, please present it.


74 posted on 06/17/2018 5:26:58 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: righttackle44

I can’t speak for all Independent Baptists, but the ones I grew up around and am most familiar with, want anything other than to be the conscience of the world. They want to be separate from the world above most anything else, and have even come under criticism for remaining aloof from politics-they were never a part of the Moral Majority or any political movement, as such.


75 posted on 06/18/2018 12:07:37 AM PDT by mrsmel (I wonÂ’t be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Theodore R.

True, for the most part, though the rot is creeping into some Independent Baptist churches, not many, so far. But in these end days of apostasy and “itching ears”, no church is immune without constant vigilance. I know that the “7/11” music sometimes sneaks in through the recorded music used for the “specials” sung before the sermon. It takes a pastor, and indeed a church flock, with Berean discernment to keep the creeping rot of apostasy out.


76 posted on 06/18/2018 12:14:12 AM PDT by mrsmel (I wonÂ’t be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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bump


77 posted on 06/18/2018 4:22:26 AM PDT by foreverfree
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To: Theodore R.

I had never heard of this policy before.


78 posted on 06/19/2018 10:15:02 AM PDT by sarge83
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To: Salman
This article was written by the same kid who wrote "Green Like God: Unlocking the Divine Plan for our Planet"...a book about environmentalism.

I'd dismiss his opinions on the topic.

79 posted on 06/21/2018 12:51:34 PM PDT by ealgeone
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