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GOP candidate: Civil war wasn’t about slavery
The Hill ^ | June 25th, 2018 | Lisa Hagen

Posted on 06/25/2018 3:28:41 PM PDT by Mariner

Republican Senate nominee Corey Stewart said that he doesn’t believe that the Civil War was fought over the issue of slavery, arguing that it was mostly about states’ rights.

In a Monday interview with Hill.TV’s “Rising,” Stewart, who recently won the GOP nomination in the Virginia Senate race, said that not all parts of Virginia’s history are “pretty.”

But he said he doesn’t associate slavery with the war.

“I don’t at all. If you look at the history, that’s not what it meant at all, and I don’t believe that the Civil War was ultimately fought over the issue of slavery,” Stewart said.

When “Rising” co-host Krystal Ball pressed him again if the Civil War was “significantly” fought over slavery, Stewart said some of them talked about slavery, but added that most soldiers never owned slaves and “they didn’t fight to preserve the institution of slavery.”

“We have to put ourselves in the shoes of the people who were fighting at that time and from their perspective, they saw it as a federal intrusion of the state,” he said.

Stewart also said he doesn’t support a Richmond elementary school named after a Confederate general deciding to rename it after former President Obama.

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: 2018midterms; coreystewart; dixie; va2018; virginia
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To: FLT-bird

So that Vice President’s word has no meaning?


121 posted on 06/25/2018 5:03:48 PM PDT by Blue House Sue
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To: Bellagio

The Maryland Assembly were set to vote to leave the Union. Lincoln had them arrested so they could not meet to make it official. The city of Washington was built on Maryland soil.


122 posted on 06/25/2018 5:04:30 PM PDT by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: rdl6989; DoodleDawg
If the CW was merely about slavery then why didn’t the Border States succeed?

Because slaveowners were a smaller percentage of the population than they were in the seceding states.

Slaveowners were only 3% of the population in Delaware and only 12% or 13% in Maryland and Missouri, rather than a quarter or half the population, as they were further South.

Kentucky was a marginal case -- a real swing state where many wanted to remain neutral. It was circumstances -- and the fact that the Confederates invaded the state -- that kept Kentucky in the Union.

123 posted on 06/25/2018 5:04:35 PM PDT by x
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To: Blue House Sue

So the president’s word has no meaning?


124 posted on 06/25/2018 5:04:59 PM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: Mariner
I'm sure he's a good man, but where do we find such fools as these?

Indeed. All you have to do is look up and read the resolutions of secession passed by the Confederate states - all of them say it is about slavery and the supremacy of the white race. The stump speeches from the Confederate politicians at the time likewise - the Cornerstone Speech from the Confederate Vice President is perhaps the most illustrative. Look at the editorials in the newspapers in the South at the time. Look at the debate among the Confederate generals as to whether or not they should use black soldiers would undermine the very cause they were fighting for. It is irrefutable and overwhelming. Yet, when you point these facts out, the responses you normally get are "screw you" (or the equivalent)...nothing substantive - or they find some quotes of Lincoln where he was playing politics to placate the handful of slave states that did not secede (and he did not want to spark further secessions) as somehow explaining away all of the above.

It is also true that after the war there were northern politicians who decided to take advantage of the South's weakness and basically ravaged them, but that doesn't change the facts above. The current narrative that it wasn't about slavery but about "states rights" is actually not a new narrative - it began right after the war ended by the Southern politicians working to save face after their defeat - so the proceeded to rewrite the history of why the war began and that has taken root since that time among many...and the behavior of the northern politicians to ravage the South in the aftermath of the war added fuel to the fire of that narrative - they saw the "northern aggression" that was being described as the cause for the war in the rewriting of history...so it is completely understandable how this would be believed.

I would like to see an interview of Corey Stewart wherein these documents are presented to him to review and get his reaction as to his opinion after reviewing them and see what he has to say, but unfortunately the only kind of interview you could get would be someone screeching at him calling him a racist.

125 posted on 06/25/2018 5:05:35 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: rockrr
"The slavers failed that test."

You keep calling the Southerners "slavers" as if you didn't know that Northerners also held slaves and supported the right to slave ownership. At the end of the war slaves were no longer held in the Southern states and yet were still held in the Northern states. A very strange outcome for a war that was supposedly all about slavery.

Abraham Lincoln, First Inaugural Address:

126 posted on 06/25/2018 5:06:54 PM PDT by Garth Tater (What's mine is mine.)
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To: traderrob6
OK, time for this history lesson once again.

Some Northern states exercised their states' rights by declining to vigorously enforce the federal Fugitive Slave Act.

Southern states, upset about this, seceded and formed their own federal government, under whose constitution the states were prohibited from making their own decisions about slavery.

So the war was about states' rights.

The Union was the states' rights side.

127 posted on 06/25/2018 5:07:12 PM PDT by Eric Pode of Croydon (I'm an unreconstructed Free Trader and I do not give a damn.)
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To: BillyBoy; AuH2ORepublican

Jackson didn’t sound too viable either, and was distantly mired in 3rd place anyway.

Freitas was the obvious choice but he was a “GOPE RINO” so most of FR didn’t want to hear that.

VA is not “solid” let alone “safe” rat, Trump lost it by 5 points that’s a far cry from Illinois but uh....it’s drying out red jello at least, into the territory of “rat-leaning” more than “swing”. Moving the wrong way.

Freitas would have been a longshot but him pulling the upset was at least POSSIBLE if the stars aligned.

Stewart seems to be looking at under 40%, though I think he’ll do better than Gilmore in 2008 (I still marvel at that disaster). If Stewart had been the nominee for Governor like people wanted, the democrats would have easily taken the State House instead of the GOP just hanging on.

Nominating him was foolish.


128 posted on 06/25/2018 5:08:23 PM PDT by Impy (I have no virtue to signal.)
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To: Svartalfiar

That was an insurrection which the federal government is EXPLICITLY empowered to repress insurrections in the Constitution. See Article 1, Section 10, paragraph 3 and tell me what that says


129 posted on 06/25/2018 5:09:21 PM PDT by arrogantsob (See "Chaos and Mayhem" at Amazon.com)
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To: traderrob6

The Constitution lists those powers which belong to the Feds. Any others not on that list are the powers of the States which is so stated in the Constitution.


130 posted on 06/25/2018 5:09:35 PM PDT by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: oldbill; Impy
>> over the Lincoln Memorial. Not a word about slavery. You need to do your homework <<

Actually, YOU need to do your homework, oldbill.

Have you ever visited the Lincoln Memorial in person?

I have.

If you had, you'd realize Lincoln's Second Inaugural Address is inscribed in huge letters on the wall next to him, and it contains NUMEROUS comments about slavery, including the fact the Confederate government at the time was fighting to preserve it.

131 posted on 06/25/2018 5:10:10 PM PDT by BillyBoy (States rights is NOT a suicide pact.)
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To: x; doodledog

Thanks, I’ve been studying the Civil War as a hobby for 20 years and I doubt I will ever understand some things about it.


132 posted on 06/25/2018 5:10:14 PM PDT by rdl6989
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To: rockrr

The superior African slavers enslaved the inferior tribes and took all they had and then sold them to get rid of them permanently.


133 posted on 06/25/2018 5:10:16 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... In August our cities will be burning))
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To: DannyTN
I’ve heard a number of people in Tennessee say the Civil War wasn’t about slavery.

Properly, it was called,"The War of Northern Aggression!"

134 posted on 06/25/2018 5:11:29 PM PDT by Don Corleone (Horse heads work!)
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To: Mariner

The next inductee to the Christine O’Donnell, Roy Moore, Todd Akin Loser’s Hall of Fame.


135 posted on 06/25/2018 5:11:35 PM PDT by Eric Pode of Croydon (I'm an unreconstructed Free Trader and I do not give a damn.)
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To: FLT-bird
Finally a great party was organized for the purpose of obtaining the administration of the Government, with the avowed object of using its power for the total exclusion of the slave States from all participation in the benefits of the public domain acquired by all the States in common, whether by conquest or purchase; of surrounding them entirely by States in which slavery should be prohibited; of thus rendering the property in slaves so insecure as to be comparatively worthless, and thereby annihilating in effect property worth thousands of millions of dollars. This party, thus organized, succeeded in the month of November last in the election of its candidate for the Presidency of the United States. Message of Jefferson Davis to the Provisional Congress of the Confederate States of America, April 29 1861

Davis said that the threat to slavery was the cause for secession. Secession was the cause of the war.

136 posted on 06/25/2018 5:12:09 PM PDT by x
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To: arrogantsob

Your understanding of the Land laws is less than a bit and your superficial reasoning is at best specious.

It was all about “POWER” and wherein it would ultimately lie.

Saying the Civil war was because of slavery is no more accurate than saying World War II was all about the Jews.


137 posted on 06/25/2018 5:13:57 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: central_va
Mississippi Declaration of Secession:

A Declaration of the Immediate Causes which Induce and Justify the Secession of the State of Mississippi from the Federal Union

In the momentous step, which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.

Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery - the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product, which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin.

That we do not overstate the dangers to our institution, a reference to a few facts will sufficiently prove.

The hostility to this institution commenced before the adoption of the Constitution, and was manifested in the well-known Ordinance of 1787, in regard to the Northwestern Territory.

The feeling increased, until, in 1819-20, it deprived the South of more than half the vast territory acquired from France.

The same hostility dismembered Texas and seized upon all the territory acquired from Mexico.

It has grown until it denies the right of property in slaves, and refuses protection to that right on the high seas, in the Territories, and wherever the government of the United States had jurisdiction.

It refuses the admission of new slave States into the Union, and seeks to extinguish it by confining it within its present limits, denying the power of expansion.

It tramples the original equality of the South under foot.

It has nullified the Fugitive Slave Law in almost every free State in the Union, and has utterly broken the compact, which our fathers pledged their faith to maintain.

It advocates negro equality, socially and politically, and promotes insurrection and incendiarism in our midst.

It has enlisted its press, its pulpit and its schools against us, until the whole popular mind of the North is excited and inflamed with prejudice.

It has made combinations and formed associations to carry out its schemes of emancipation in the States and wherever else slavery exists.

It seeks not to elevate or to support the slave, but to destroy his present condition without providing a better.

It has invaded a State, and invested with the honors of martyrdom the wretch whose purpose was to apply flames to our dwellings, and the weapons of destruction to our lives.

It has broken every compact into which it has entered for our security.

It has given indubitable evidence of its design to ruin our agriculture, to prostrate our industrial pursuits and to destroy our social system.

It knows no relenting or hesitation in its purposes; it stops not in its march of aggression, and leaves us no room to hope for cessation or for pause.

It has recently obtained control of the Government, by the prosecution of its unhallowed schemes, and destroyed the last expectation of living together in friendship and brotherhood.

Utter subjugation awaits us in the Union, if we should consent longer to remain in it. It is not a matter of choice, but of necessity. We must either submit to degradation, and to the loss of property worth four billions of money, or we must secede from the Union framed by our fathers, to secure this as well as every other species of property. For far less cause than this, our fathers separated from the Crown of England.

Our decision is made. We follow their footsteps. We embrace the alternative of separation; and for the reasons here stated, we resolve to maintain our rights with the full consciousness of the justice of our course, and the undoubting belief of our ability to maintain it.

138 posted on 06/25/2018 5:15:18 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: jeffersondem

Did the Union slave state of Maryland send soldiers to fight the Confederate slave state of North Carolina in order to end slavery or to protect slavery?
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Maryland fought both ways. Those West of the Chesapeake Bay fought with Pennsylvania for the North. Those on the Eastern Shore of Maryland fought with the Army of Northern Virginia, therefor for the South.


139 posted on 06/25/2018 5:15:58 PM PDT by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: Mariner
Dinesh De Sousa has several lectures on the subject Slavery was an issue but it may not be as cut and dried as you assert.

Not a single republican owned a slave and that was true in the North and South. If you think the soldiers of the South fought to preserve slavery you would be wrong because the soldiers in the trenches did not own slaves nor did they want to.

140 posted on 06/25/2018 5:18:31 PM PDT by itsahoot (Welcome to the New USA where Islam is a religion of peace and Christianity is a mental disorder.)
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