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By no means perfect, but for someone who is pro-abortion, there are some impressive concessions and logical insights in here. This is worth reading in its entirety.
1 posted on 07/03/2018 10:35:42 AM PDT by NRx
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Question for Progressive ideologues: Does the American Declaration of Independence's stated philosophy of "rights" as, "endowed by their Creator" enter into this discussion? If it does, then who can assert, with confidence, the "Creator's" decision on when those rights are endowed?

Any doubt on that point might elicit serious skepticism about "destroying" life and liberty of babies.

"The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time: the hand of force may destroy, but cannot disjoint them." - Thomas Jefferson

2 posted on 07/03/2018 10:50:11 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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Wow. After having reread Roe a couple of days ago, I could have written a similar essay myself.

Even putting myself in the mindset of a pro-abort, the reasoning of Roe still looks embarrassingly bad. It looks like they started with a decision, and tried, but failed (badly) to convince that the Constitution backs it up. No discussion at all about when, in development, there appears a human being, with Constitutional rights.


4 posted on 07/03/2018 11:03:14 AM PDT by rightwingcrazy
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She says she’s “uneasily pro choice,” hmmm.

I wonder what that description of her position means to her.

5 posted on 07/03/2018 11:09:17 AM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower..AMERICA! Designed by geniuses - now run by the idiots in Congress.)
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Wait until the left wakes up and realizes that amending respective state constitutions to ensure a right to 'bodily privacy' (gender neutral) will help build the coalition they so desperately seek.

My Ivy educated wife shares a similar perspective to the author. She completely understands the harm a disjointed SC decision has created. Like anyone who takes a shortcut, it's always, always comes back to bite you in the ass. Use the court to ram through by diktat, and 50 years later, you get a Trump.

This debate should have taken place in the electorate, where 300+ million people can decide for themselves within their respective state jurisdictions. And, once passed with large majorities, both the issue itself and the screwed up court process can be left to the historical record.

8 posted on 07/03/2018 11:25:54 AM PDT by semantic
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She thinks it is OK to kill the baby when it was the result of rape--to kill an innocent person for the crime of another. Adoption exists.

I just had an email from a distant cousin who was conceived because her mother was raped. She was given up for adoption at birth and her adoptive parents are dead. I was able to help her find her biological mother some months ago and they had a very joyful reunion. She, her children, and her grandchildren would not exist if her mother had been persuaded to have an abortion.

9 posted on 07/03/2018 11:39:30 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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Roe v. Wade is on life support. It will likely be overruled within three years. Blue States will guarantee a right to abortion in their State Constitutions. Red States will enshrine a right to life in their State Constitutions. Purple States will passed mixed legislation. There will be calls by both sides for Congress to get involved, but it is unlikely it will in any meaningful way.
11 posted on 07/03/2018 12:02:28 PM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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Nobody in their right mind can come close to interpreting that abortion is in the Declaration of Independence and Constitution. It’s pure insanity unless one is a Bolshevik Liberal.


12 posted on 07/03/2018 12:16:54 PM PDT by shanover (...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.-S.Adams)
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<>The decision itself is a poorly reasoned mess.<>

She’s right. I read it thirty years ago and remember thinking what garbage it was.

Attack Roe on its merits and it will fall.


15 posted on 07/03/2018 1:45:43 PM PDT by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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Overturning Roe means it goes back to the states. Does Anyone really believe NY state is going to EVER outlaw baby killing?


16 posted on 07/03/2018 1:51:40 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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Roe vs. Wade is shorthand for rulings that claim a right to abortion.

Roe vs. Wade was replaced by the Casey ruling of 1992.

Casey is the prevailing ruling.

18 posted on 07/03/2018 5:08:07 PM PDT by Architect of Avalon
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This is the original reason I was against Roe vs. Wade, and countless other similarly outrageous abuses of Power by federal employees.

My favorite one is the one where they repealed the 11th Amendment by holding two mutually exclusive positions about the status a state government employee they wished to command.

The first and most significant alleged power grab of the federal court was Madison vs. Mayberry.

I say alleged because if you actually read the ruling you will notice one glaring fact that the modern Court overlooks in order to have their way on the constition. Mayberry never got his writ despite the court judging he was entitled to it.

If anything that proves that the federal court is but one of three branches of the federal government it cannot command the actions of the other two it can merely nullify the effect of their actions.

That means Mayberry doesn’t get his writ the court ‘judged’ he was entitled to because the court cannot command the executive to give it to him.
They can only judge him innocent if he were charged with a crime.

This is why the aforementioned 11th Amendment is so important to keeping the feds out of state government, and why they had to repeal it to rule the states in the 20th Century.


29 posted on 07/04/2018 3:25:26 PM PDT by Monorprise
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