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Why 100 Northrop Grumman B-21 Raider Stealth Bombers Might Not Be Enough
The National Interest ^ | July 4th, 2018 | Dave Majumdar

Posted on 07/04/2018 9:24:26 AM PDT by Mariner

“Taken together – 120 combat-coded bombers, 20 trainers, and 24 planes for backup and attrition planning purposes – the minimum buy would be 164 aircraft."

Why 100 Northrop Grumman B-21 Raider Stealth Bombers Might Not Be Enough

Northrop Grumman’s B-21 Raider stealth bomber is rapidly approaching its critical design review (CDR), when a Pentagon review team will determine if the new aircraft is meeting the technical requirements set forth in its requirements documents.

If the design passes its CDR, the B-21 team will be cleared to build, integrate and test the aircraft before its next hurdle: the production readiness review. The idea is to ensure that the B-21 will meet its stated performance requirements within cost, schedule and risk tolerances.

“We haven’t done CDR yet, we are on our way to critical design review,” Randy Walden, director and program executive officer for the Air Force Rapid Capabilities Office—which is responsible for B-21 program—said during an speaking engagement held at the Air Force Association’ Mitchell Institute on June 25.

(Excerpt) Read more at nationalinterest.org ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: b21; b21raider; northropgrumman
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The B-1B air frames have another 30 years left on them, easy.

And it's STILL the best bomber in the world today.

Plans to retire them early are sheer folly. Even IF we get the 164 B-21s.

1 posted on 07/04/2018 9:24:26 AM PDT by Mariner
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Always need a conventional bomber, if even not for standoff nukes like the B-52; which is always an option. The B-52 can’t get there like the B-1 can.


2 posted on 07/04/2018 9:29:52 AM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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Mach .92 at 75ft above the deck, or through mountain passes with the computer driving, and 125,000 lbs of ordnance with external hardpoints.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockwell_B-1_Lancer


3 posted on 07/04/2018 9:31:22 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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FAR more payload and speed than the B-52 and the airframes are 30 years newer.


4 posted on 07/04/2018 9:33:08 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: SaveFerris

The author’s analysis is flawed.

The idea that we could undertake a strike with 200 heavy bombers against either Russia or China...without going full-on nuclear...is ludicrous.

Such an event is certain to precipitate strategic nuclear war.


5 posted on 07/04/2018 9:37:13 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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Hmmm....

Whilst we can assume the B-21 model has flown in a CFD ( Computational Fluid Dynamics ) environment, the question begs what if any have been flown in the real word aka scale man carrying and we all know where that could have been done. My point being w/ NG owning Scaled Composites and their personnel at NG and SC being top shelf, I have no problem with the possibility of the B-21 passing the critical review and the real prototype once flown, meeting it's design numbers and possibly even exceeding it. Build 200 or more of them, let us not do what we did with the B-2 and F-22, and oh yes moth ball the tooling after your done, and don't pull a Dick Cheney destroy all of it.

6 posted on 07/04/2018 9:49:35 AM PDT by taildragger ("Do you hear the people Singing? Singing the Song of Angry Men!"i)
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President Ike said it all,” Beware of the defence companies” we just dont need that many new bombers. Its all BS just jobs for retired USAF Generals. The same jerks who caused us to waste billions of dollars on bombers cut up at ARAMARK in the desert....Somebody better get in charge uts crazy millions for upgrades to the B 52 fleet, billions for new stealth bombers that have to have external hard points to cary enough bomb load who is the fing jerk in charge of this mess?????????????????


7 posted on 07/04/2018 9:53:27 AM PDT by straps (we elect a commander in chief, not a pastor in chief)
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To: taildragger
Per the rules


8 posted on 07/04/2018 9:54:57 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... In August our cities will be burning))
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Yep. The Russians would pretty much be pushing the button once they saw American bombers pushing inside.

At the very least.


9 posted on 07/04/2018 9:59:03 AM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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who is the fing jerk in charge of this mess?????????????????

Well sign right up bucko. Maybe you can fly a B-52 that is older than your grandfather too.

BTW you sorely misquoted Ike.

10 posted on 07/04/2018 10:05:29 AM PDT by pfflier
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Not sure why we need to develop new nuclear bombers for maybe another decade or two. Three generations are still in the air, the B-52, B-1, and B-2. Even if we finally ground the B-52, there’s still a lot of punch available.


11 posted on 07/04/2018 10:06:04 AM PDT by lurk
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Wow. A new fleet of B2 variants? They should be ready to go operational at right about the time that manned heavy bombers are finally completely obsolete.


12 posted on 07/04/2018 10:17:55 AM PDT by Flatus I. Maximus (Don't like my guns? Molon labe.)
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Each country pretty much has fully automatic rifles with multiple 100 round loaded magazines.

Corporate Defense responds by ramping up to manufacture more shotguns.


13 posted on 07/04/2018 10:35:16 AM PDT by TheNext
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To: straps

Lobbyists?


14 posted on 07/04/2018 10:36:11 AM PDT by BBell (Ich bin Ein Wenig Teekanne ):>()
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I’ve read that the Bones were an unheralded workhorse during the campaign to take down the Taliban in Afghanistan post-9/11. Lots of payload, long loiter time, could scoot across the country quickly for a just-in-time delivery.


15 posted on 07/04/2018 10:46:14 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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Yep. The Russians would pretty much be pushing the button once they saw American bombers pushing inside.

At the very least.

Into their homeland, sure. Into a theater adjacent to them? Not so likely. It's good to have a continuum of useful options short of actual nukes.

16 posted on 07/04/2018 10:54:46 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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"I’ve read that the Bones were an unheralded workhorse during the campaign to take down the Taliban in Afghanistan post-9/11. Lots of payload, long loiter time, could scoot across the country quickly for a just-in-time delivery."

And I know it is expensive, but at one time an upgrade was proposed to put the Pratt and Whitney F-119 ( super-cruise, Low By-Pass Turbofan ) out of the F-22 into the Bone. It was reported the pilots were ecstatic as it opened the door for super-sonic again for the bird. later engines, probably lower TSFC for even greater loiter, that would have been sweet...

17 posted on 07/04/2018 11:04:50 AM PDT by taildragger ("Do you hear the people Singing? Singing the Song of Angry Men!"i)
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To: SaveFerris

As things move on, things stay the same. We will always need a robust conventional military and be able to fight a two front war yet I believe the military space race is the future.


18 posted on 07/04/2018 11:16:30 AM PDT by shanover (...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.-S.Adams)
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Yep. The Russians would pretty much be pushing the button once they saw American bombers pushing inside.


Yup,, similar to our firing off a “Launch on warning” our Minute Man force if we detected a major counterforce attack inbound,,, use em or lose em.


19 posted on 07/04/2018 11:24:26 AM PDT by Wildbill22 ( They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton William Abrams)
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Mach .92 at 75ft above the deck, or through mountain passes with the computer driving, and 125,000 lbs of ordnance with external hardpoints.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockwell_B-1_Lancer


That is mind Boggling! And the B-1 in its nuclear role was to fire off SRAM-2 supersonic (at least) thermonuclear missiles from 200 miles away! Or B-83 megaton class gravity bombs,,, or both.
Was the MIG-31 really that good? Was the Mainstay AWACS that good? And today is the S-400/500 as good as advertised?

I have wondered for a long time if the B-1 really was that vulnerable thirty years ago if it is really a good idea to rely on any sort of non-standoff nuclear weapon, stealth or not.


20 posted on 07/04/2018 11:36:58 AM PDT by Wildbill22 ( They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton William Abrams)
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