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Erdogan wants more from Trump before Turkey will free pastor
Al-Monitor ^ | July 18, 2018 | Amberin Zaman

Posted on 07/19/2018 2:25:46 PM PDT by Texas Fossil

Defying expectations, a Turkish court rebuffed appeals today to free Andrew Brunson, the US pastor whose trial on bogus terror charges has become a litmus test for turbulent ties between Turkey and the United States. The trial was adjourned until Oct. 12.

The North Carolina pastor has been charged with espionage and links to coup plotters and Kurdish militants and could face up to 35 years if convicted.

Brunson continued to deny any wrongdoing in his third courtroom hearing, amid a string of wild assertions from witnesses for the prosecution. “I am an innocent man on all these charges. I reject them. I know why I am here. I am here to suffer in Jesus’ name,” Brunson said.

One of the witnesses, Murat Camdan, said he had converted to Christianity over a decade ago and knew Brunson personally. He said he had observed “mind-boggling scenes” at a church in Izmir. He said the initials of the outlawed Kurdistan Workers Party — PKK — were inscribed on three Bibles and rituals were held before the corpses of PKK fighters mourned as “martyrs who had died for their country.” Camdan claimed he witnessed all of this at a "Kurds-only" church Brunson allegedly founded alongside Resurrection Church in Izmir, where he led a tiny flock for years. The testimony mirrors the prosecutor’s indictment, which suggests, among other things, that a Middle Eastern food recipe found on Brunson’s cellphone is proof of his culpability.

Hopes had been high that the 50-year-old who has been held in the Western province of Izmir since October 2016 would be freed pending the outcome of the trial, in part due to the personal chemistry between President Donald Trump and Turkey’s Erdogan. Their mutual warmth was most recently on display at last week’s NATO summit in Brussels..

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: andrewbrunson; brunson; erdogan; hostages; kurdistan; muratcamdan; muslimworld; northcarolina; pastor; receptayyiperdogan; trump; trumpnato; turkey
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Good photo of Trump and Erdogan at the link.

The author was born in New York City to a Turkish family and is married to Joseph Pennington, the US Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Iraq. They reside in the U.S.

1 posted on 07/19/2018 2:25:46 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil

Erdogan can suck it.

Anyone who goes to Turkey these days frankly is an idiot.


2 posted on 07/19/2018 2:28:01 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Texas Fossil

...Erdogan wants more from Trump before Turkey will free pastor...

How about a Cruise Missile through his bedroom window?


3 posted on 07/19/2018 2:28:23 PM PDT by Sasparilla ( I'm Not Tired of Winning)
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To: Sasparilla

...a boot up his a$$.


4 posted on 07/19/2018 2:30:00 PM PDT by nickedknack
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To: Sasparilla

O’Bunghole would be loading a plane with cash right now.

Opps O’Bunghole is a Moosling, forget it.


5 posted on 07/19/2018 2:30:33 PM PDT by mplc51
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To: Texas Fossil

Turkey wants ransom for kidnapped pastor.


6 posted on 07/19/2018 2:35:13 PM PDT by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: Sasparilla

Why not 2 of them?


7 posted on 07/19/2018 2:35:17 PM PDT by Glad2bnuts (If Republicans are not prepared to carry on the Revolution of 1776, prepare for a communist takeover)
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To: Texas Fossil

How about 48 more hours.

Is that enough?


8 posted on 07/19/2018 2:38:53 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (01/26/18 DJIA 30 stocks $26,616.71 48.794% > open 11/07/16 215.71 from 50% increase 1.2183 yrs)
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To: dfwgator; All

Yup. All these do-gooders go to third world sh1tholes, get arrested and then whine about it... asking uncle sugar for help. They should go to nice civilized countries like Sweden and get mugged and raped by good Syrian refugees.


9 posted on 07/19/2018 2:39:39 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isnÂ’t common anymore.)
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To: Cobra64

Who’s whining? At the least it sounds like you’re meta-whining.


10 posted on 07/19/2018 2:43:53 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: Texas Fossil

The pastor is toast. (or lion food on the floor of the arena)

The Turkish coup plotter must be given over if the pastor is to be released. That will not happen.


11 posted on 07/19/2018 2:47:22 PM PDT by bert ((K. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... In our cities will be burning))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

No. Actions have consequences.

People who go to questionable countries like Turkey should expect to get arrested. When they do, tough shit. They chose that course of action. If my kid robbed a store and got arrested, he can serve his sentence. He chose to do what he did and needs to pay the consequences.


12 posted on 07/19/2018 2:57:56 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isnÂ’t common anymore.)
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To: dfwgator; bert; DoughtyOne; SkyDancer; Sasparilla

Efdogan does not fool Trump.

This will play out in it’s own time.

Erdogan will bring his own end.

Erdogan and his family have a lot of money frozen in the U.S. He and his agents were bypassing sanctions on Iran by trading in Gold as the medium. They got caught. It is a lot of money.

Turkish banker Hakan Atilla convicted in U.S. sanctions case

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/turkish-banker-hakan-atilla-convicted-u-s-sanctions-case-n832181

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13 posted on 07/19/2018 2:58:43 PM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: Texas Fossil

Erdogan is trying too hard to be the big man on campus.

I suspect he’s going to overplay his hand.

Some leaders just don’t know when to leave well enough alone.

He could be a friend of the West. Instead he’s chosen to tweak the West needlessly.

Whatever happens from here, he’s asked for it.


14 posted on 07/19/2018 3:12:17 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (01/26/18 DJIA 30 stocks $26,616.71 48.794% > open 11/07/16 215.71 from 50% increase 1.2183 yrs)
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To: DoughtyOne

Why Obama took out Gaddafi and left this turkey strutting around I do not know. (Actually, yes, I do know, but it’s frustrating.)


15 posted on 07/19/2018 3:34:32 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: Texas Fossil

Our NATO dollars at work


16 posted on 07/19/2018 3:39:49 PM PDT by scottinoc
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To: Texas Fossil

The US is under contract to train Turks to be pilots flying the F35 they bought but are not yet delivered.

Pompeo should announce that he is looking for Turkish Kurds to train to fly the F35s.

That should get some attention.


17 posted on 07/19/2018 3:51:53 PM PDT by spintreebob
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To: Texas Fossil

eff Erdogan. Start taking the goodies away from him. Begin withdrawing military assets from the country. No financial aid or reimbursements of any kind. And Sheppard Smith & Lindsey Graham should boycott TURKISH BATHS.

OK, I was kidding about the last item, but you get the picture.


18 posted on 07/19/2018 3:58:19 PM PDT by House Atreides (BOYCOTT the NFL, its products and players 100% - PERMANENTLY)
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To: A_perfect_lady

Khadaffi was taken out years ago. There is still strife in Libya. There are various government factions claiming ownership of the naton, and there are militias as well.

It’s a mess there.

Obama, Clinton, McCain, Graham, and Rubio screwed up royally, but advocating for the Muslim Brotherhood to be armed and funded.

It tossed Libya into a state turmoil and eventually cost us our Ambassador and his staff as well.

We had no business in Libya. We had no business in Syria either. We funded the “good” al Qaeda according to McCain.

Along the way, ISIS got part of those funds and armament

Now we’re enmeshed there.

Trump should negotiate for Assad to remain in power, and for all the citizens of Syria to be treated decently if we leave. And then we should leave, with the understanding that if we have to come back, it will not end until regime chance is achieved.

Now Putin and Trump seem to have some sort of an understanding, so I don’t care what this eventually looks like, as long as those who worked with us are safe, and the fighting stops.

I also want to Kurds to be okay.

As for Erdogan, he should stay as long as he can behave himself. As for his troops who threaten the Kurds, we can’t defend the Kurds by air if we have to. We should promise him that’s what we would do.


19 posted on 07/19/2018 4:01:27 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (01/26/18 DJIA 30 stocks $26,616.71 48.794% > open 11/07/16 215.71 from 50% increase 1.2183 yrs)
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To: Texas Fossil

Remind me again why we’re supposed to be friends.


20 posted on 07/19/2018 4:19:09 PM PDT by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola.")
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