Posted on 07/21/2018 10:33:56 AM PDT by Navy Patriot
Maybe verbally confronted, but not thrown to the ground - I guess we disagree. I think he was threatened with serious force, bordering on deadly force, he was right to protect himself.
The BG seems to take on the body language of "what are you gonna do with that gun?"
I am not saying that deadly force is justified in every incidence that someone is pushed to the ground, but this was a big guy who charged at him and pushed him violently to the ground. Considering the age and size difference, I can clearly see, in this instance, that he felt in danger for his life.
agree
It seems to me the shooter wasn’t defending himself after he drew his weapon. He was acting in retaliation.
We weren't there, it looks to me like the guy was forcibly thrown to the ground, looked up and the perp was standing there within feet, surely close enough to be re attacked in a second and killed. At that point he pulled his gun and shot the perp not knowing what the violent perp would do next. These events occur in seconds and the person attacked has one second to respond and perhaps save his life.
No. I wouldn’t have parked in a handicap spot to start with
I think under law in NY, CT & Massachusetts you can only stand your ground while on your knees giving your assailant a BJ.
Sorry for the slow reply — have been away tending to my elderly Mom (more problems, some of ‘em “crazy stuff”, than I have time or inclination to list!!)
I also appreciate the discussion, and actually agree with you on many points:
The shooter indeed should have minded his own business in the first place. Or at most, call police and report the violation - maybe sneak in a pic from a cell phone as “evidence” and scamper away? That said, the physical assault by the deceased was also completely uncalled for.
I also agree that if in that situation (as the shooter) the second I realized the attacker is backing off, I’d not fire. I agree the assaulter was indeed in “discretion the better part of valor” mode once he saw the gun. His response (at that point) was very quick and correct, except that it was based on fear and instinct: “Back up and get out of the line of fire.” The problems are: 1) It happened very fast and the assaulter did not think or have time to think to get his hands up. 2) In that circumstance, as the “assaulted” I’m not so sure that I’d “process” quickly enough the attacker’s change of heart. The decision to shoot was already made, most likely when the attacker initially moved toward the shooter after the push. That is, the decision to “defend” is instinctive, strong, and quick. UNDOING that lacking a strong signal like hands going up, is not so instinctive, and requires some processing, analysis, whatever one wants to call it, while in a state of fear / surprise / shock / maybe even some “dazed and confused” (from hitting the pavement if naught else) and evidently took longer than there was before the initial decision was executed.
(I recall being blindsided, hard, in a couple different situations, years ago, and I don’t think I was “processing” clearly for SEVERAL seconds...)
Something else occurred to me: The assaulter’s move to the side could also be interpreted consciously or unconsciously by the defender as an attempt to flank.
I don’t think (but could be wrong) that the shot was “retribution”, as I’d expect such to involve multiple shots. The shooter seems almost... “stunned”, perhaps, after the shot.
Who knows — my main point is that expecting a clear, quick and correct response from a civilian (like myself?) in such a situation is expecting a LOT. That said, I certainly don’t regard this as a “good shoot”, other than that the shooter sure was accurate in a high stress situation: It was tragic and unnecessary, caused by stupidity on all fronts up to and including the “push”.
Anyway, I think I’m talked out on this one :-)
— have a great rest of the week.
So you can kill them?.....anyone who touches u?
Bullshit
You kill everyone pushes you down nifster?
I doubt it
He was a coward plain and simple...scared
Starting crap with folks cause he was heeled....had a history of just thst
Killed a man in front of his five year old kid cause the guy pushed him down?
That’s absurd
I gues freepers have never fought they reach for their ccw being so tough and all
A world of cowards
I hope this jackass gets charged with manslaughter
He makes decent carry permit folks look bad
I can’t beleive how few posters here can handle physical conflict....on no that big black man is liable to whip me I gotta kill him..
Shucks I’ve got my ccw before....he was giving me the think eye too
Hell the man was turning away ...and his little child standing next to him
Here we have a lady poster with more courage than the guys about physical confrontation
I was not raised in the South....your favorite place right...lol...to be taught to kill anyone who pushes me down or smacks me
You fight back or you retreat
You guys think you can just kill anyone who might bloody your nose
Are y’all thst timid?
Thank you for your post Wardaddy
I was seriously shaking my head about this thread. Really relieved to know someone else feels the same way. .
You need to step away from your keyboard for awhile
You need to think about what you saying
Kill a man for pushing you down
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