Posted on 07/27/2018 12:40:48 PM PDT by xzins
Byproviding only two choices you indicate you do not understand reality
I agree that income tax, like other taxes, tends to suppress creating those things it taxes, that is, incomes.
They paid for the whole of federal government for the first 140 years or so.
There was no income tax until just 100 years ago because of tariffs making them unnecessary.
America grew in wealth and size like a weed on steroids because of tariffs.
Conclusion: The status quo is progressive so if you support the status quo and not the tariffs then you are by default a progressive.
When you import a product you import the standard of living of that country.
Way to go Komrade Bert!
Most Communists think the truth is drivel.
You can't project the auto industry onto the ENTIRE US economy,. Nice spin. We are on to you Free Traitors™.
Unions are basically dead and only represent a paltry 9% of the manufacturing workforce.
That war is over. We won.
Free Traitors™ like you John support the evil income tax so there is that.
That is so preposterous! Question: When I buy a tariff'd good do I have to fill out form and tell the government if I turned 65 this years or went blind! LOL! What poppy cock stupidity!
That's good take one f'd up industry and trash the entire manufacturing sector which is 91% non union. This is what propagandist do, Free Traitors™ and the MSN are the best at it.
Yeah, Declaration of Independence, Louisiana Purchase, sending Marines against Muslim pirates, mere trifles. /s
“the proper amount of tariffs is no tariffs, which is exactly the president’s plan.”
Bears repeating. Washington was right to focus on national self sufficiency, but in 2018 two wrongs don’t make a right.
The US manufacturing base has long suffered from excessive taxation and regulation, and concessions to labor unions. The fact that it can’t compete internationally is the fault of the US government, and the way to remedy the problem is by reducing those taxes, regulations and labor concessions.
Trump, rightly, started with that. Now Trump, again rightly, is using tariffs and the threat of tariffs to force our trading partners to the negotiating table, with the aim of achieving zero tariffs.
“The proper amount of tariffs is no tariffs, which is exactly the president’s plan.”
“Like all taxes tariffs are bad...”
Can’t we just stop right there and admit the problem in 2018 is the gargantuan size of the government?
If we address that elephant in the room, and pare the government down to its proper size and scope, then I’ll concede that tariffs are a better form of taxation.
Until then, I refuse to choose between two poisons and say one is good and the other bad. Poison is poison, and as long as this swollen tick of a government continues to eclipse the private economy, ANY form of tax that enables that status quo is just that - poison.
I didn’t say he did nothing to deserve the title of Founding Father.
Often he was way too much the political theoretician, he did come up for reality at the right times as you pointed out. However even those examples are somewhat tainted. For example he almost abolished the US Navy. He thought coastal gunboats were all we needed. Someone at the last moment convinced him to keep those six super-advanced (for their time 6 (I think?)) frigates e.g, USS Constitution, USS United States, etc. For the Lousiana Territory purchase he also expected to be impeached and removed from office. He didn’t think he had the Constitutional power to do it. He used a Hamiltonian Constitutional interpretation to do it - meaning FedGov has the power to do something like that unless expressly forbidden by the Constitution. For that many of his Democrat-Republican colleagues called him a hypocrite as did his Federalist political foes.
You should read about his actions as Washington’s SOS. Using Phillip Freneau as his cat’s-paw he was undermining Washington! He & Freneau were constantly claiming through Freneau’s newspaper - the National Gazette that Washington wanted to be King. Really? How can anyone rational believe that? Even back then! Look at his actions concerning Citizen Genet! Also he was a complete flop (particularly when compared to say Patrick Henry) as Revolutionary War wartime governor of Virginia, some say to the point of cowardice.
He had flaws now completely glossed over in order to diminish the idea we are a republic and amplify the false notion we are something akin to absolute democracy. (Look what pure democracy did to Athens! The FFs knew their classical history!)
In my study of the Founding Fathers one thing I noticed, many (Certainly not all!) of the really significant FFs (At least the ones popularly quoted now!) who came from the colonial elites were very pro-democracy, however those from the “hoi polloi (and lower!)” were much more suspicious of pure democracy. In fact they were always using Rhode Island as the example, the mess pure democracy makes!
“Also, a tariff taxes everyone equally and is virtually invisible. So, who pays no taxes in America?”
Tariffs are like a national sales tax.
Everyone pays tax on what they use/buy, instead of about 40% of us carrying the tax load via income taxes. If you don’t buy something with a tariff, it doesn’t cost you. Income taxes are a mill stone around the necks of many of us.
Patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels, ignorant scoundrals like you.
You would have made a good isolationist Republican back in 1936. Your anachronist views that totally reject the president’s efforts to MAGA by the across the board tariffs are just plain foolish.
I don’t think you could recognize a communist if you met one face to face on the street because you obviously do not know what a communist is.
your last three idiotic posts are nothing but name-calling. I’d argue with you, but I don’t really care that you’re wrong. I suspect you’re used to it.
Well said.
With that being said, elimination of tariffs on both sides will benefit all companies in the countries they represent..........
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