Posted on 07/31/2018 3:00:59 PM PDT by Drango
Smokers can no longer light up in or near public housing facilities in the U.S. due to a new rule that went into effect July 31. The nationwide ban on smoking in public housing was implemented nearly two years after the rule was passed by the Obama administration in 2016.
The Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) now prohibits the use of cigarettes, cigars and pipes in all public housing units and common areas, as well as any outdoor areas up to 25 feet from public housing and administrative office buildings. The ban does not apply to e-cigarettes, snuff and chewing tobacco, although there may be restrictions on those in some areas.
HUD says about 228,000 public housing units under more than 600 local agencies were already smoke-free, and the new rule wipes out smoking in more than 940,000 other units. The ban is expected to save government housing agencies $153 million a year in repairs and health care costs, including $16 million for costs tied to smoking-related fires, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimated in 2014.
HUD said the new policy would reduce health hazards from secondhand smoke and encourage residents to quit smoking.
The ban on smoking products must be included in public housing tenants' leases, HUD says. Tenants will not be evicted for a single instance of smoking, but could face eviction after several smoking violations.
For those who want help to quit smoking, officials recommend calling 1-800-QUIT-NOW (1-800-784-8669) toll-free to talk to a trained coach, or go to www.smokefree.gov.
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So “democracy” means majority rules and there are no rights against the majority. The government can force anything it wants just because it is the government and it wants to. That’s your point of view?
” The government can force anything it wants just because it is the government and it wants to. That’s your point of view?”
No it us not my point of view. But it seems to be a reality. I think it is called “Authority. Resistance or Obedience” There is still choice involved. Make the wrong choice and chances are - you will lose.
Example - 2A says we have the right to bear arms.
So, an attempt is made to breech the capital building check point armed.
Result - HALT OR WE WILL SHOOT!
Is it okay to proceed? If bodily ventilation is the goal... proceed.
Private aircraft cannot overfly certain restricted airspace. Try it sometime. Most of the time the offending aircraft is escorted to a landing site and the pilot is arrested. Don’t comply? There are options, but gas is limited and at some point... somebody is still taken into custody. Usually it is the one without the option of in-flight refueling.
Then you had all these State Attorney Generals suing the Tobacco Companies for all that money
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Remember the Cigarette ‘Sin’ Tax was supposed to pay for ALL HEALTH CARE.
Rush had a push on for people to go to the groups of people smoking outside of buildings and THANKING them for paying for your health care.
It came to a screeching halt (NOT THAT IT EVER ‘STARTED’) when ‘inquiring minds’ asked..
“You raise the taxes to discourage people from smoking so you not only will open a ‘black market’ BUT if everyone stops smoking how will you be able to pay the health care bills”
If you want to stop a LIB in their tracks, just present a logical remark to their outrageous claim.
You can see the gears turning and smoking while blank looks fill their faces before they snarl a few choice obscenities at you.
Cars are not ILLEGAL; either; but dang near EVERYWHERE has a SPEED LIMIT for the things.
Dang!
Back in the day; I had to make my gun from ZIP!
One COULD have a ‘chute on board and leap out AKA DB Cooper style.
But most Libs can't process LOGICAL!
“Cars are not ILLEGAL; either; but dang near EVERYWHERE has a SPEED LIMIT for the things.”
And if washing machines had wheels you would need a license and registration to operate one!
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Correct....
That is why I threw in the last sentence...
You can see the gears turning and smoking while blank looks fill their faces before they snarl a few choice obscenities at you.
So although something is NOT illegal, it is OK to de facto make it illegal? No, it’s not.
If the public housing residents were doing something illegal inside their residence, yes the public housing authorities could call them on it. Can the law ban public housing residents from smoking in public and common areas, yes. Should they? That is a matter of opinion. Can they ban residents from smoking inside their own residence? They can try, but I think our new batch of Supreme Court justices ought to, and hopefully will throw the ban out.
“That is a matter of opinion.”
Indeed. And welfare recipients are definitely in a contractual arrangement with the government.
There are reams of paperwork involved in becoming a welfare recipient” there are signatures on that paperwork which limit what a welfare recipient can and cannot do in order to collect the dole. The same would apply for housing arrangements, especially If they are government owned and operated. As a former Section 8 landlord for one single family home I had to deal with the housing office in the region that the home was located. And every “i” was dotted and every “t” was crossed, and the leasing agreement and contract for the welfare recipient to sign had to be up to a standard that the housing office approved. Contracts had to conform to a pre-approved template, non-compliance resulted in swift eviction. Eviction was not a hurdle the housing office had to worry over as there were plenty of people on the waiting list for almost immediate reoccupancy.
If that much paperwork has been signed and there is a contractually binding agreement established it would be difficult to bring a case to court and succeed.
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I have no printer, but I downloaded all 10 to show support for the First Amendment.
“Indeed. And welfare recipients are definitely in a contractual arrangement with the government.”
Means nothing.
Contract clauses are ruled out of bounds by courts all the time. Just because a clause is put in a contract does not mean the clause will hold up in court if it is challenged. I suspect the the supreme court will rule the addition of the “no smoking” rule as an amendment to the public housing “contracts” to be invalid as to its application inside the person’s residence, and stike the ban altogether, suggesting the drafters of the ban revise it to remove any application of it to the interior of someone’s resdidence.
Where is your chart from? Those numbers are way off, there’s no way we smoke enough cigarettes to average five per person per day...
Three to four cigs per day for everyone over 18. Since cigs are taxed so heavily, numbers are likely accurate.
Source: Tobacco Outlook Report, Economic Research Service, U.S. Dept. of Agriculture; CDC.gov
https://www.infoplease.com/science-health/health/cigarette-consumption-united-states-1900-2011
Damn right!
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