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1 posted on 08/04/2018 11:16:36 AM PDT by Kaslin
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It is ironic that the Job Guarantee push goes big time just as we are in a period when anyone who wants to work can get a job. Of course these jobs are all demeaning in that one has to work for a boss who isn’t the benevolent Government
or has to work for an income when his sensitive temperament makes it more pleasant to lay home and watch TV.


2 posted on 08/04/2018 11:31:59 AM PDT by arthurus (pdbq)
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Anyone who can even handle grade school arithmetic should be able to see the fallacy in Government meddling with private economic decisions. The private market is based upon the individual responsibility of the players; each who would succeed is motivated to take his best hold on his own circumstances; his own interaction with those around him. Having committees or teams of bureaucrats try to plan his actions for him can only be a major hindrance, a major impediment, burden, frustration & disincentive.

Socialism is an effort to outlaw the reality of human difference; to deny the reality that regardless of the subject of comparison, some people are better than others; that regardless of the varied social influences, some people are also better motivated than others.

You do not solve any "problem" by refusing to consider the causation for the "problem." And see Lies Of Socialism

3 posted on 08/04/2018 11:35:50 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Kaslin

Government guarantees most of time deliver nothing but more misery. For many years the wealth gap between rich and poor was relatively small. Then as government grew because of 1929 depression, it made more promises and increased control. And in 1980, after 50 years of this growth the gap between rich and poor also began to grow. Today.as a result of that growth the gap is now greater than ever. The President is attempting to correct but it would take a miracle to do so. Thus the division in our nation is at an all time high. Hate, envy, jealousy and evil along with media’s help rule the day.


4 posted on 08/04/2018 11:41:49 AM PDT by mulligan (EeThe)
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To: Kaslin

Karl Marx is chuckling in h*ll.


5 posted on 08/04/2018 11:55:20 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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"Proposed job-guarantee policies would address and perpetuate the wrong problem. The real issue is not how to use government to guarantee everyone a job, but how to restrain government and how to stop a decadent and corrupt organization (whose only tool is force) from arbitrarily limiting free markets and job-seekers’ prospects. A totalitarian state seeks to guarantee employment, regarding its subjects as charges, as dependents or wards. A free society resolves to limit the size and scope of government, certainly out of the way of job-creators’ and jobs-seekers’."

Americans, in the beginning, tried socialism. Like every other people who tried such a non-starter for providing individual incentives, individual freedom, and prosperous economy, they failed. Here is the story:

Free Enterprise

The Economic Dimension Of Liberty Protected By The Constitution

"Agriculture, manufactures, commerce, and navigation, the four pillars of our prosperity, are the most thriving when left most free to individual enterprise."

- Thomas Jefferson

"The enviable condition of the people of the United States is often too much ascribed to the physical advantages of their soil & climate .... But a just estimate of the happiness of our country will never overlook what belongs to the fertile activity of a free people and the benign influence of a responsible government."

- James Madison

America's Constitution did not mention freedom of enterprise per se, but it did set up a system of laws to secure individual liberty and freedom of choice in keeping with Creator-endowed natural rights. Out of these, free enterprise flourished naturally. Even though the words "free enterprise' are not in the Constitution, the concept was uppermost in the minds of the Founders, typified by the remarks of Jefferson and Madison as quoted above.

Already, in 1787, Americans were enjoying the rewards of individual enterprise and free markets. Their dedication was to securing that freedom for posterity. The learned men drafting America's Constitution understood history - mankind's struggle against poverty and government oppression. And they had studied the ideas of the great thinkers and philosophers.

They were familiar with the near starvation of the early Jamestown settlers under a communal production and distribution system and Governor Bradford's diary account of how all benefited after agreement that each family could do as it wished with the fruits of its own labors.

Later, in 1776, Adam Smith's INQUIRY INTO THE NATURE AND CAUSES OF THE WEALTH OF NATIONS and Say's POLITICAL ECONOMY had come at just the right time and were perfectly compatible with the Founders' own passion for individual liberty. Jefferson said these were the best books to be had for forming governments based on principles of freedom.

They saw a free market economy as the natural result of their ideal of liberty. They feared concentrations of power and the coercion that planners can use in planning other peoples lives; and they valued freedom of choice and acceptance of responsibility of the consequences of such choice as being the very essence of liberty. They envisioned a large and prosperous republic of free people, unhampered by government interference. The Founders believed the American people, possessors of deeply rooted character and values, could prosper if left free to:

  • acquire and own property
  • have access to free markets
  • produce what they wanted
  • work for whom and at what they wanted
  • travel and live where they would choose
  • acquire goods and services which they desired
Such a free market economy was, to them, the natural result of liberty, carried out in the economic dimension of life. Their philosophy tend­ed to enlarge individual freedom - not to restrict or diminish the individual's right to make choices and to succeed or fail based on those choices. The economic role of their Constitutional government was simply to secure rights and encourage commerce. Through the Constitution, they granted their government some very limited powers to:
  • assure that the ground rules were fair (a fixed standard of weights and measures)
  • encourage initiative and inventiveness (copyright and patent protection laws)
  • provide a system of sound currency with an established value (gold and silver coin)
  • enforce free trade (free from interfering special interests)
  • protect individuals from the harmful acts of others
Adam Smith called it "the system of natural liberty." James Madison referred to it as "the benign influence of a responsible government." Others have called it the free enterprise system. By whatever name it is called, the economic system envisioned by the Founders and encouraged by the Constitution allowed individual enterprise to flourish and triggered the greatest explosion of economic progress in all of history. Americans became the first people truly to realize the economic dimension of liberty.
Footnote: Our Ageless Constitution, W. David Stedman & La Vaughn G. Lewis, Editors (Asheboro, NC, W. David Stedman Associates, 1987) Part III: ISBN 0-937047-01-5

6 posted on 08/04/2018 12:08:47 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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It must be an election year.

To my knowledge, the only power that the states have expressly delegated to the feds to guarantee anything is to guarantee each state a republican form of government, corrections welcome.

Otherwise, regardless what FDR’s state sovereignty-ignoring activist justices wanted everybody to think about the scope of Congress’s Commerce Clause powers (1.8.3) when it wrongly decided Wickard v. Filburn in Congress's favor imo, please consider the following.

A previous generation of state sovereignty-respecting Supreme Court justices had clarified that the states have never expressly constitutionally delegated to the feds the specific power to regulate INTRAstate commerce. So the best that Congress can do to “guarantee” jobs is to do a great job of regulating INTERstate commerce. Corrections, insights welcome.

H O W E V E R …

The problem with the current corrupt, post-17th Amendment ratification Congress is that master deal-maker Pres. Trump has been indicating, in my words, that one way that Congress has been destroying the nation is by grossly (treasonously?) mismanaging its Commerce Clause powers.

In fact, noting cultural jokes about selling the Brooklyn Bridge, corrupt Congress has arguably been selling the whole nation.

The remedy for unconstitutionally big federal government …

Patriots need to finish the job that they started when they elected Trump president.

More specifically, patriots now need to be making sure that there are plenty of Trump-supporting, state sovereignty-respecting patriot candidates on the 2018 primary ballots who will commit to keeping the federal government's big nose out of intrastate commerce.

Patriots then need to pink-slip career lawmakers by sending patriot candidate lawmakers to DC on election day.

And until the states wise up and repeal 17A, evidenced by concerns about the integrity of the outcome of Alabama's and Pennsylvania's special elections, patriot candidates need to win elections by a large enough margin to compensate for the following concerns.


8 posted on 08/04/2018 12:56:12 PM PDT by Amendment10
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