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California's Devastating Fires Are Man-Caused -- But Not In The Way They Tell Us
Forbes ^ | 07/30/2018 | Chuck DeVore

Posted on 08/05/2018 1:30:09 PM PDT by logi_cal869

California is once again on fire. Northern California’s Carr Fire has killed six people, two of them firefighters, and continues to burn out of control, claiming more than 700 homes and about 100,000 acres.

As a citizen-soldier in the California Army National Guard for two decades, I often heard the gallows humor quip that California’s four seasons were: flood, fire, earthquake and riot.

But, what was once an expected part of living in the Golden State is now blamed on larger forces. A crisis, we are told, should never go to waste.

In that vein, the Sacramento Bee editorial board blamed the Carr Fire foursquare on a man-caused buildup of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. In an editorial headlined, “The Carr Fire is a terrifying glimpse into California’s future,” they write, “This is climate change, for real and in real time. We were warned that the atmospheric buildup of man-made greenhouse gas would eventually be an existential threat.”

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The Sacramento Bee editorial concludes with a stark warning: “California must plan now for these and other aspects of global warming, as more of the state becomes too hot, too dry, or too fire- or flood-prone to safely live in, and as more of the world braces for the era of climate refugees.”

Whether global climate change is a problem that can be solved by California is a dubious proposition—one year’s worth of emission growth in China is greater than California’s total emissions. But the action needed to reduce the state’s growing forest fire threat would be the same regardless of one’s belief in any problems posed by climate change: start managing our forests again.

(Excerpt) Read more at forbes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; climate; globalwarminghoax; liberals; mediawingofthednc; partisanmediashills; presstitutes; smearmachine; wildfire
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I don't believe that firefighters should be sacrificed for political purposes.

Just sayin'. People are finally starting to recognize the failure of government in this respect (forest "management") and the importance of an emerging scientific field, "fire ecology", but the same scientific battles are raging over fire ecology as over "climate" & "CO2".

Before throwing unlimited support behind fighting wildfires (in emotional support of the firefighters needlessly placed in harm's way), it is prerequisite that Conservatives understand that wildfires are largely driven by the failures of liberal government policies in support of irrational environmentalism (which is ironically hypocritical; read the article).

1 posted on 08/05/2018 1:30:09 PM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: logi_cal869

Carve a state out of a desert, increase population exponentially in said state, do virtually nothing to manage forests properly, make no effort to increase availability of water resources and infrastructure, allow the lunatic environmental left to dictate policy for over 40 years.

Yeah, it must be “global warming”.


2 posted on 08/05/2018 1:35:43 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (My "White Privilege" is my work ethic.)
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To: logi_cal869

This mass destruction is so sad. These activists would do well to be concerned about eternal global warming.


3 posted on 08/05/2018 1:38:24 PM PDT by Maudeen (http://ThereIsHopeinJesus.com/)
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To: logi_cal869

Fire is hot, therefore global warming causes it. There, logic even a liberal can understand.


4 posted on 08/05/2018 1:41:17 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: logi_cal869

California’s problem? Problems. First is illegal aliens that are soaking up much of their water, crowding and trashing their cities. That stresses everything. Then, not managing their natural resources. And last, insisting government has the answers, must be allowed to tell everyone what they can and can’t do.


5 posted on 08/05/2018 1:42:12 PM PDT by Reno89519 (No Amnesty! No Catch-and-Release! Just Say No to All Illegal Aliens! Arrest & Deport!y)
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To: logi_cal869

MoonBeam and his ilk are neo-Bolsheviks.

Everything is political to them.


6 posted on 08/05/2018 1:46:37 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: Mariner

Please repost your comments about last year’s fires and how the enviro rats don’t allow you to fire proof your property.


7 posted on 08/05/2018 1:55:33 PM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Mexico's elite/white conquistadors have manipulated & interfered in our elections, since Ike!)
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To: logi_cal869

California could just mandate that any technology invented after they achieved statehood (1859) be forbidden within its borders.

Presto - change-o, no more smog or man-made global warming in California.

Wait....they won’t do that? Even if it lowers global warming by just a little bit? What are they - some kind of hypocrites?


8 posted on 08/05/2018 1:59:07 PM PDT by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: Telepathic Intruder; logi_cal869
Both of you try to equate global warming with being liberal but the whole world has accepted global warming as fact. 196 (all)nations signed the Paris agreement in 2015.

Contrary to what you think there are many elected republicans who accept global warming. They just don't talk about it because if they do, Exxon and Peabody Coal will try to unelect them. But these republicans appropriate money for subsidies on renewables and money for research. Even Trump sells offshore leases to the wind turbine companies.

9 posted on 08/05/2018 2:11:54 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: headstamp 2

You’re just not talking Dixie there. It’s plain truth. If these tree huggers had any sense they’d be doing something to clean up all the brush that causes the wildfires.


10 posted on 08/05/2018 2:21:19 PM PDT by Doc91678 (Doc91678)
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To: Windflier

Shhhh! Don’t give them any ideas.


11 posted on 08/05/2018 2:29:19 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (End the Mueller Gestapo now. Free the Donald.)
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To: Ben Ficklin

Global warming is certainly real. Greenhouse gasses are a factor in Earth’s temperature. The real issue is the question of human involvement, and how much the Democrats are politicizing the science, effectively making it bad science. They claim that scientists can be 100% certain of the effects of increased CO2 on Earth’s climate, and that it’s all a result of human emissions. That right there is proof that real science has been subverted by politics. Basically, they’re are filtering the evidence to match a desired conclusion. I’ve as much right to call it a sham as they do to call it “settled science”. Even the term is phony. Consensus is not part of the scientific method, neither now or back when consensus said that the sun went around the earth.


12 posted on 08/05/2018 2:30:12 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: Ben Ficklin
Both of you try to equate global warming with being liberal but the whole world has accepted global warming as fact.

"The whole world has accepted global warming as fact" appears to be an unsupported assertion. Instead, belief in global warming as fact may be a psychoneurosis marked by emotional excitability and disturbances of the psychogenic, sensory, vasomotor, and visceral functions, in other words, mass hysteria.

Or, you may be implying that global warming or climate change is caused by man. That assertion is far from settled science.

Climate change is caused by the Sun.

13 posted on 08/05/2018 2:36:19 PM PDT by olezip
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To: Telepathic Intruder; olezip
Nobody really cares what your personal opinion is.

But if you have done the research and collected the data, by all means you should publish it.

14 posted on 08/05/2018 2:44:42 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: logi_cal869

It is called Arson,it has nothing to do with emissions.


15 posted on 08/05/2018 2:48:14 PM PDT by Del Rapier
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To: Telepathic Intruder; All
They claim that scientists can be 100% certain of the effects of increased CO2 on Earth’s climate, and that it’s all a result of human emissions. That right there is proof that real science has been subverted by politics.

Yes, the availability of a lot of federal dollars fuels a perpetual global warming/climate change industry with linkages to EPA/Dept of Commerce/DHS?HHS and a cadre of congresscritters with constituents such as Research Triangle Park in NC that do well off the perpetual climate crisis. This is the same as the Beltway insiders trying their best to gin up a new Cold War with Russia. Not a real one but a ‘permanent crisis’ so think tank whores, defense service contactors and a throng of retired military and civilian defense types can have a permanent job with the perpetual crisis system. Shouting ‘the world is coming to the end unless we DO SOMETHING’ is very good business.

16 posted on 08/05/2018 2:48:38 PM PDT by robowombat (Orthodox)
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To: Grampa Dave

The EPA mandates that all streams have a minimum of 50ft of greenbelt on each side and prevent any landowner from clearing that brush.

The same with vernal pools in every low-lying piece of land.

In the CA hills there is very little land not within 50ft of a stream (even if they dry up in summer) or vernal pool (which does dry up in summer).

The FEDS will fine you severely for violations.

This is not a state mandate, but federal. It leaves dead fuel everywhere and it’s contiguous, sometimes for over 50 or more miles.

The BLM and NFS “manages” all federal land the same way, or worse due to owls, salmon etc.

In CA the Feds own 46% of all land. And it’s the Federal lands that are burning. The fires eventually make their way to private property and state land where it’s against the law to clear and properly manage.

The Feds are, by far, the worst stewards of open land imaginable. Every the native Indians did a better job.


17 posted on 08/05/2018 2:49:18 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: headstamp 2

You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it’s an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before.

Rahm Emanuel


18 posted on 08/05/2018 2:53:36 PM PDT by 100American (Knowledge is knowing how, Wisdom is knowing when)
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To: Ben Ficklin
"They just don't talk about it because if they do, Exxon and Peabody Coal will try to unelect them"

That sounds an awful lot like an opinion. Collected any data or done any research to back it up?
19 posted on 08/05/2018 3:19:52 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: Pride in the USA; Stillwaters
But the action needed to reduce the state’s growing forest fire threat would be the same regardless of one’s belief in any problems posed by climate change: start managing our forests again.

Good luck with that.

20 posted on 08/05/2018 3:33:39 PM PDT by lonevoice (diagonally parked in a parallel universe)
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