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Manafort prosecutors, Judge Ellis engage in 10-minute courtroom spat
Fox News ^ | 8/7/2018 | Serafin Gómez and Matt Richardson

Posted on 08/08/2018 9:58:07 AM PDT by sickoflibs

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To: Nifster

The fact that he embezzeled monies tells me that HE had more say over the books than Manafort. And the bookkeeper wasn’t honest either. Gates had to know that but doesn’t mean Manafort knew she was doing some cheating.


21 posted on 08/08/2018 10:19:22 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: jazminerose

Judge shopping is nothing new. Ellis is both experienced and wise.


22 posted on 08/08/2018 10:22:12 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: sickoflibs

Bingo. The judge gives you a fair trial but if you get convicted he gives you less grounds to appeal.


23 posted on 08/08/2018 10:24:06 AM PDT by Williams (Stop tolerating the intolerant.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Can judge dismiss WITH PREJUDICE & no more filings can happen?


24 posted on 08/08/2018 10:27:05 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Sacajaweau
The fact that he embezzeled monies tells me that HE had more say over the books than Manafort. And the bookkeeper wasn’t honest either. Gates had to know that but doesn’t mean Manafort knew she was doing some cheating.

I thought I heard that the bookkeeper claimed it was Gates who told her to cheat on the taxes and that he showed her something with Manafort's signature verifying he agreed to it. Do they have that documentation? Or did I just dream this?

25 posted on 08/08/2018 10:29:41 AM PDT by Shethink13 (there are 0 electoral votes in the state of denial)
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To: Signalman
"Even if Manafort is convicted of some of the charges, the judge is not likely to give him a harsh sentence"

I'm thinking he's guilty of tax fraud and the judge sentences him to time served and paying a fine. Of course the fake news media will spin it as a major win for Mueller.
26 posted on 08/08/2018 10:32:55 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: ridesthemiles

Yes, a judge can dismiss with prejudice.
Typically though that is not what happens when you have a hung jury.


27 posted on 08/08/2018 10:33:28 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: crz

This judge may throw the whole dam thing out.

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This would be bad and the judge knows it. It only gets manafort off temporarily.

That’s why the prosecution is dragging their feet. It seems like they know they are likely to lose, and would rather get the case thrown out. They are going to draw this out until the judge stops them. What they don’t want is an actual verdict.


28 posted on 08/08/2018 10:37:37 AM PDT by z3n
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To: sickoflibs

Astonishingly bad lawyers.
:-)


29 posted on 08/08/2018 10:43:33 AM PDT by Zathras
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To: Nifster

Rick Gates guilty of subornation of perjury, just like Ted Stephens case.


30 posted on 08/08/2018 11:08:44 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (Quit calling them liberals, progs, socialists, or democrats. Call them what they are: COMMUNISTS!!!!)
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To: jazminerose
Mueller is just an incompetent attorney. It’s no surprise he felt the call to government “service”.

What a lot of people don't understand is that federal prosecutors hardly ever see the inside of a court room.

Everything in the fed system in plea bargained so when it comes to an actual trial they are often the least experienced attorneys in the court room.

Mansfort's attorneys do this for a living every day.

31 posted on 08/08/2018 11:31:24 AM PDT by usurper ( version)
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To: wardaddy

As I noted previously, the judge doing a sua sponte dismissal just gives the government an issue on appeal. Now, if the defense makes a motion for directed verdict after the close of the government’s case and he grants it, THEN we’re talkin’.


32 posted on 08/08/2018 11:39:14 AM PDT by jagusafr
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To: sickoflibs

It is hard to see the prosecution winning this mess.


33 posted on 08/08/2018 11:46:24 AM PDT by arrogantsob (See "Chaos and Mayhem" at Amazon.com)
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To: z3n; All

if Manafort is not convicted there won’t be another trial.

Muehler is shown to be a fraud and even the Goebbelsmedia will turn on him.


34 posted on 08/08/2018 11:51:39 AM PDT by arrogantsob (See "Chaos and Mayhem" at Amazon.com)
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RE:”Manafort opted for a *jury* trial?! Seems a bit foolhardy to me.”

Looking for a hung jury?

35 posted on 08/08/2018 12:54:29 PM PDT by sickoflibs ('Equal protection' only applies to illegals not you!)
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To: jagusafr

Made me look.

Sua sponte

Latin for “of one’s own accord; voluntarily.” Used to indicate that a court has taken notice of an issue on its own motion without prompting or suggestion from either party.

As a general rule, where grounds for dismissal exist, an action is subject to dismissal on a court’s own motion. A trial court has the power to dismiss an action sua sponte for want of prosecution, or failure to comply with the rules of civil procedure or a court’s orders. A court may sua sponte enter a motion to dismiss for want of jurisdiction even though both parties have agreed to appear in the court.

See, e.g., Carlisle v. United States, 517 US 416 (1996) and Trest v. Cain, 522 US 87 (1997).

This says civil. Can it happen in criminal court?


36 posted on 08/08/2018 1:02:19 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (If I knew when I was going to need my gun, I wouldn't need my gun.)
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To: Raycpa

Exactly.


37 posted on 08/08/2018 1:13:23 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: sickoflibs

This judge should yell at Mueller to wrap it up, maybe even make him cry.


38 posted on 08/08/2018 1:16:50 PM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: sickoflibs

I bet they are complaining the judge is a Bush appointment. I’m so confused. I thought in all this Russia stuff, the Ukrainians were the good guys. They helped develop the profile on Trump did they not in an effort to support Clinton? And they are the victims of Russian aggression according to the Russo-phobes. But in THIS case they are the bad guys?


39 posted on 08/08/2018 2:05:55 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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To: jazminerose

Yeah, jury trials can be tough. Knowing what stupid results have come of juries does not reassure me.


40 posted on 08/08/2018 2:07:30 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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